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Do you think sex work is “real” work?

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Original post by tazarooni89
I suppose it just depends on what you mean by "real work".

If you take it literally then yes of course it is real work; it involves putting effort into an activity that earns you a living. But then by the same token you could equally say that drug dealing or working in a scam call centre or simply begging on the streets is also "real work".

However in another sense, I would say that it is not "real work" in my opinion, because it doesn't provide anything of value or benefit to the customer. A person who has paid for the services of a sex worker is in actual fact no better off than they were before. Rather, sex work involves taking money from the customer by exploiting a (potentially temporary) weakness in their ability to realise that there's no real value in what they're paying for.

Sex can be considered a benefit? It may make the customer happy, which is a benefit right?
Original post by Joleee
define work?

if you define 'work' simply as someone who gets paid in exchange for a service then it is work; likewise then drug dealers and arms dealers and human traffickers would be considered doing work :awesome: same with those illegal weed and cocaine farmers. pretty sure they all work really hard for their money.

Technically, yes, selling drugs is 'work'. Is it morally good? That's for you to decide. But it terms of whether it is work, it certainly is. It's essentially running a business.

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exactly
Reply 23
No such thing as "not real" work. That person is making a subjective judgement because they personally disapprove of sex work or think it doesn't require effort.

Work is the exchange of time or services for (the prospect of) money.
Reply 24
Original post by Reue
It's the oldest profession

Don't understand why people always say this.

What about hunting or gathering?
Original post by AmIReallyHere
Sex can be considered a benefit? It may make the customer happy, which is a benefit right?


I’d say it’s a very artificial sort of happiness.

As human beings, we’ve evolved with a reward system that gives us a hit of dopamine (which is pleasurable to us) every time something “good” happens. So for example you feel happy after eating a nice meal, or getting a good night’s sleep, or making new friends, or getting your pay check etc.

Some people have found a way to “hack” that system so that you get the chemical reward in your brain without actually having any real-world improvement in your life (e.g. when you take addictive drugs). It’s a shortcut to getting the dopamine hit, which makes you feel that it’s more worth your while to get it that way, leading to an addiction. Meanwhile you stop bothering to seek actual value in the real world because your brain no longer thinks it needs to care about that, and your life crumbles around you.

It’s a similar thing with sex work. Sex is supposed to make you happy because it’s an evolutionary reward for building close emotional bonds with another person or for trying to produce offspring. But paying for it essentially cheats that system by giving you the dopamine hit without any actual improvement in your real-world state of affairs. So as I said, you’re not getting anything of value; you just think that you are at the time, and someone is exploiting that weakness in your judgement to get money out of you. Meanwhile it interrupts one of the biggest incentives we have to actually work on ourselves, be the best and most attractive we can be, find partners who appreciate us and with form those emotional connections with us etc.
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yes i think so
Original post by tazarooni89
I’d say it’s a very artificial sort of happiness.

As human beings, we’ve evolved with a reward system that gives us a hit of dopamine (which is pleasurable to us) every time something “good” happens. So for example you feel happy after eating a nice meal, or getting a good night’s sleep, or making new friends, or getting your pay check etc.

Some people have found a way to “hack” that system so that you get the chemical reward in your brain without actually having any real-world improvement in your life (e.g. when you take addictive drugs). It’s a shortcut to getting the dopamine hit, which makes you feel that it’s more worth your while to get it that way, leading to an addiction. Meanwhile you stop bothering to seek actual value in the real world because your brain no longer thinks it needs to care about that, and your life crumbles around you.

It’s a similar thing with sex work. Sex is supposed to make you happy because it’s an evolutionary reward for building close emotional bonds with another person or for trying to produce offspring. But paying for it essentially cheats that system by giving you the dopamine hit without any actual improvement in your real-world state of affairs. So as I said, you’re not getting anything of value; you just think that you are at the time, and someone is exploiting that weakness in your judgement to get money out of you. Meanwhile it interrupts one of the biggest incentives we have to actually work on ourselves, be the best and most attractive we can be, find partners who appreciate us and with form those emotional connections with us etc.

McDonalds and other fast food companies: *hide away*
Original post by AmIReallyHere
McDonalds and other fast food companies: *hide away*

I wouldn't say people who work for these companies aren't doing "real work", because they are still providing something of value. You need food and calories to survive, and fast food companies do provide that. Of course at the same time, they are also doing something which is of negative value (damaging your health), as well as providing some artificial value as well (excessive salt and fat which trick your brain into thinking you're getting better nutrition than you really are).
Original post by Reue
It's the oldest profession

No marketing is
Original post by tazarooni89
I wouldn't say people who work for these companies aren't doing "real work", because they are still providing something of value. You need food and calories to survive, and fast food companies do provide that. Of course at the same time, they are also doing something which is of negative value (damaging your health), as well as providing some artificial value as well (excessive salt and fat which trick your brain into thinking you're getting better nutrition than you really are).

I wasn't saying that those companies didn't do real work

It was more a joke off this:
"But paying for it essentially cheats that system by giving you the dopamine hit without any actual improvement in your real-world state of affairs. So as I said, you’re not getting anything of value; you just think that you are at the time, and someone is exploiting that weakness in your judgement to get money out of you. Meanwhile it interrupts one of the biggest incentives we have to actually work on ourselves, be the best and most attractive we can be, find partners who appreciate us and with form those emotional connections with us etc."
Original post by AmIReallyHere
I wasn't saying that those companies didn't do real work

It was more a joke off this:
"But paying for it essentially cheats that system by giving you the dopamine hit without any actual improvement in your real-world state of affairs. So as I said, you’re not getting anything of value; you just think that you are at the time, and someone is exploiting that weakness in your judgement to get money out of you. Meanwhile it interrupts one of the biggest incentives we have to actually work on ourselves, be the best and most attractive we can be, find partners who appreciate us and with form those emotional connections with us etc."

Ah okay I misunderstood what you were getting at.
Original post by tazarooni89
Ah okay I misunderstood what you were getting at.

Yeah that was a mistake on my part D:
Reply 33
Original post by miser
Don't understand why people always say this.

What about hunting or gathering?


Arguably done by people for their own benefit rather than sold as a commodity.
Reply 34
Original post by looloo2134
No marketing is


Possibly, possibly not and certainly not with regard to common usage of the phrase.
Reply 35
Original post by Reue
Arguably done by people for their own benefit rather than sold as a commodity.

If a group of men take down a woolly mammoth are they just gonna eat it themselves and give none to the women and children? lol

Hunting is clearly work done for the benefit of the tribe in my opinion.
Reply 36
Original post by miser
they just gonna eat it themselves and give none to the women and children?


Let them hunt their own damn food
Reply 37
Naturally it is, by definition indeed. The fact some people take moral issue with it is beyond the point.
If anything its probably harder than most other jobs, id certainly not want to trade my obscene government salary sitting at a desk for getting bent over by a procession of strangers and the ignominy that entails. Of course not all sex work is prostitution but the point stands in its entirety, none the less.
Reply 38
Original post by miser
If a group of men take down a woolly mammoth are they just gonna eat it themselves and give none to the women and children? lol

Hunting is clearly work done for the benefit of the tribe in my opinion.

They raise a good point tbh, especially when theyve tossed the word commodity in. Doing it for yourself/tribe is one thing, doing it for barter as a commodity is quite another, even if there would have been a degree of overlap.
Reply 39
Original post by Napp
They raise a good point tbh, especially when theyve tossed the word commodity in. Doing it for yourself/tribe is one thing, doing it for barter as a commodity is quite another, even if there would have been a degree of overlap.

I take that point but that's different to saying it's the first profession. But even thinking about it that way, it's not clear to me how we know that trading sex came before trading other things. I mean, presumably the woman is trading for something. If she's trading for food for example, then isn't the man also a food vendor?

It just sounds like a soundbyte people throw around without thinking about what they mean when they say it. If it just means "prostitution's been around for ages" then fair enough, but I get the impression people are walking around thinking it is literally the oldest profession.

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