[Architecture-er]

Just going to put this out there:

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia

"Popular in Saudi Arabia" articles right now, numbers 1, 2 & 5 are all about people sentenced to death and the 4th is about a father killing his own daughter for changing her religion. Oh, and the 3rd is about a massive train crash. Lovely.

[Rat_Bag]

(Original post by jus2sik)
Islam is evil, simple as that, no one has the balls to admit it, and people will try to argue with various dribble but look at somalia, pakistan, iran, china, the balkans, iraq, afghanistan, saudi arabia, do you notice they all have something in common? There all predominantly muslim countries!

When was China last a "predominantly muslim countr[y]"?

[Democracy]

(Original post by RyanT)
So despite having a government that is in all its behaviors, remarkable similar to other muslim states you're claiming Iranian exceptionalism. Iranians might have a muslim government that was brought to power by the arms of Iranian revolutionaries and has been staffed by Iranians with no serious armed revolt since its formation, yet according to you this is entirely against the will of the people.

Are you for real? So basically, you refuse to believe anyone is oppressed unless they're in a state of revolt? Real life is not Counterstrike or COD, organising armed action is not easy or simple.

Let me guess...you also believe North Koreans "want" to be oppressed because they haven't revolted at all. You clearly have no idea what it's like to live in a totalitarian state.

I just find it highly suspect that you claim that Iranians are so different to these other peoples when their society functions in exactly the same manner, they worship the same god and even march to war against the Israelis together.

It's funny you mention Israel since whilst the Arabs were fighting with Israel in the 20th century, Iran never did (and Iranians never protested over this or desired to join that squabble).

I understand as a national socialist your view of the world is already extremely warped, but the whole of the Middle East isn't one homogenous bloc. What you're basically saying is "herp derp, they're Muslims so they have to fit into my view of what I consider Muslims to be like". You cannot generalise people in such a way without paying attention to history or culture or to historical events such as exactly how this regime came to be, and how it hijacked a revolution fought in the name of freedom and democracy.

Pro-democracy and pro-liberty? not exactly words that described the Shah, but perhaps like you imply, I'm an ignoramus.

It's no implication I wasn't speaking about the Shah, I am speaking about the fact that unlike its neighbours, Iran has a history of secularism (and no problem with it) and a desire for a liberal constitution (i.e. the Constitutional Revolution of the early 20th century).

I can see why you have constructed this fantasy representation of the general population of Iran, because it serves both as a mirror to your own personal views and provides a (victim) narrative of why your homeland and culture have failed. However the simple reality is these people are muslims and muslims have certain beliefs and part of those beliefs are a rulebook which stipulates these punishments for certain crimes.

No amount of claiming Iran is different from every civilization within 500 miles of it is going to change the fact that these people are muslims and are acting like muslims. Perhaps you think that Iranians are secretly not muslims at all, but then we can create a thought experiment. If a muslim theocracy was established in the UK, how long would it last for?

I can assure you, a lot shorter then the present Iranian regime. It does have support among the population and you should be honest enough to admit that.

Here's a challenge for you:

Without generalising the entire population of a country and without getting over-excited over what you consider Muslims to be (and bizzarely the fact that you consider all Iranians to be uniform in their beliefs), please try and reconcile your view that Iranians overwhelmingly support the regime, with the fact that Iran's contemporary history is primarily the history of resistance to this regime, paid for with the blood of tens of thousands of protesters and political prisoners.

It's amazing, both you and Perseveranze have more in common with eachother than with an Iranian democrat. Further proof that Islamists and national socialists are the two sides of the fascist coin. If you remove the religious jargon from your posts, you're both saying the same thing: that you believe Iranians desperately desire to be oppressed. Which is contrary to logic and human nature.

It's not a secret btw, Iranians really aren't that religious at all. If you're interested in anything other than simply rattling off your pre-conceived ideas about what Iran is and is not, you might want to glance at this:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...postcount=6307

(Original post by RyanT)
MEK

They appear to be legit and a fair demonstration that not all Iranians are obedient towards the regime. I apologise for implying that Iranians have not rebelled, given that clearly several thousand fighters is a respectable figure. I will however note, that this is largely a historical organisation that lost a lot of support in 1985 when it rebased to Iraq during the Iranian-Iraqi war. Which raises questions about Iranian subservience to a theocratic regime in the years since, that they allegedly don't support - despite being co-religionists.

Your implication is retarded anyway, because when over 120,000 political prisoners have been killed by this regime, doesn't that suggest to you that there is significant opposition? 120,000 is only the number they managed to kill but that's not to say everyone is so open or active in their beliefs. The true number of dissenters is far higher, because guess what, it is not human nature to desire to be oppressed.

The Mojahedin is not historical, it still exists and is active.

[Arekkusu]

(Original post by SnoochToTheBooch)
does the government influence/control the news in the UK? I feel silly asking this being a lifelong brit, but I honestly don't know. I thought they were not supposed to. Let the record show that I'm not strictly sober right now.

Certainly influences it (and vice versa), they're all lizards, look at the Leveson inquiry. In any case referring more to America and the West as a whole denigrating the middle east to distract from internal problems.

[jus2sik]

(Original post by Rat_Bag)
When was China last a "predominantly muslim countr[y]"?

1800s? lmao im not sure why i mentioned china tbh

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Arekkusu)
Certainly influences it (and vice versa), they're all lizards, look at the Leveson inquiry. In any case referring more to America and the West as a whole denigrating the middle east to distract from internal problems.

I hope the lizzard crap is a joke.

And the government and media are the result of private interests, they don't influence each other, they are the same thing.

The middle east isn't a distraction, if every person knew the history and what was actually going on, they wouldn't have gone in, they need to report and put their spin on it to get away with it.

[xXxiKillxXx]

(Original post by jus2sik)
Islam is evil, simple as that, no one has the balls to admit it, and people will try to argue with various dribble but look at somalia, pakistan, iran, china, the balkans, iraq, afghanistan, saudi arabia, do you notice they all have something in common? There all predominantly muslim countries!

get back to the broadway and sell your sweet corn

[jus2sik]

(Original post by xXxiKillxXx)
get back to the broadway and sell your sweet corn

you cant argue my words of truth

[xXxiKillxXx]

(Original post by jus2sik)
you cant argue my words of truth

lol you are one of those sikhs/hindus that begfriends the EDL. Also, I'm sure these are words of truth:

Islam is evil, simple as that, no one has the balls to admit it, and people will try to argue with various dribble but look at somalia, pakistan, iran, china, the balkans, iraq, afghanistan, saudi arabia, do you notice they all have something in common? There all predominantly muslim countries!

Update your general knowledge, China is NOT majority Muslim.

[jus2sik]

(Original post by xXxiKillxXx)
lol you are one of those sikhs/hindus that begfriends the EDL. Also, I'm sure these are words of truth:



Update your general knowledge, China is NOT majority Muslim.

im atheist, my brother is muslim, ignoring the china part you cant argue with me can you?

[King Kebab]

Such a pleasant country to live in.

[xXxiKillxXx]

(Original post by jus2sik)
im atheist, my brother is muslim, ignoring the china part you cant argue with me can you?

You made a huge mistake. Suggesting China is majority Muslim is like saying Russia is majority Muslim.. And argue with what? What about those places?

[jus2sik]

(Original post by xXxiKillxXx)
You made a huge mistake. Suggesting China is majority Muslim is like saying Russia is majority Muslim.. And argue with what? What about those places?

lmao you are just rambling on because you know i am correct in stating islam is evil, you know it to be true deep in your heart, you just cant admit it because all of your family etc... were raised this way

Anyway take a look at this link, or maybe look up the video yourself http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st_read_module

now when they shoot her in the head they are all screaming allah wakhbar, and this isnt the only case, there are so many similar cases seemingly being justified with allah wakbar, so take a good hard look at yourself before you try telling me your religion isnt the devils play thing

[Christianlady]

(Original post by prog2djent)
http://www.rferl.org/content/iran-al.../24625625.html

On other rediculous crimes, two people (seperate events) beheaded for "sorcery" in saudi arabia

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...condemned.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18503550

Its happening here as well, multiculturalism eh?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-7682466.html

4000-6000 LGBT people have been killed in Iran, various stonings of gay people or people dressed like westeners in Iraq, there are literally hundreds of cases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran

How can these cultures still believe in things like "sorcery" when we abandoned that BS half a millenium ago?

That is sad.

I totally disagree with killing people. For alcoholics, they need help! I love AA, because AA has helped many people become free from addiction.

Concerning people engaged in sexual acts, it is their right to believe and do what they want, even if others disagree.

Concerning sorcery, I do believe sorcery can be used to hurt people, and it is not good to hurt people. However, I don't believe in hurting sorcerers.

Peace and God bless

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Christianlady)

1. Concerning people engaged in sexual acts, it is their right to believe and do what they want, even if others disagree.

2. Concerning sorcery, I do believe sorcery can be used to hurt people, and it is not good to hurt people. However, I don't believe in hurting sorcerers.

Hello,

1. I am suprised you believe this, usually very well versed Christians such as yourself, who can recite texts, hold .. pretty much the opposite opinion. If only others were the same

2. Do you really believe in sorcery? As in wizards, witches?

[Aj12]

Stay on topic please.

(Original post by prog2djent)
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(Original post by Christianlady)

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[xXxiKillxXx]

(Original post by jus2sik)
lmao you are just rambling on because you know i am correct in stating islam is evil, you know it to be true deep in your heart, you just cant admit it because all of your family etc... were raised this way

Anyway take a look at this link, or maybe look up the video yourself http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st_read_module

now when they shoot her in the head they are all screaming allah wakhbar, and this isnt the only case, there are so many similar cases seemingly being justified with allah wakbar, so take a good hard look at yourself before you try telling me your religion isnt the devils play thing

No I do not ''know'' Islam is evil. Stop assuming..

Your expecting me to trust the DailyMail? And lets assume that it is 100% true, these so-called ''Taliban'' are supposedly executing her for adultery.. under Islamic law, both parties involved in adultery have to be executed, not only the female. So you can't use this case to judge Islam.

A Sikh man decapitated his daughter a couple of weeks ago, should I criticise the Sikh religion? No.