Veterinary Medicine 2015 hopefuls!
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Original post by Little Tail Chaser
No I don't 
. I met her at an induction day (they wanted the current vols to meet the new ones), and haven't seen her since.
. I met her at an induction day (they wanted the current vols to meet the new ones), and haven't seen her since.Aw that's a shame. Bet that will be you one day though!
Original post by Hollyheartsgoats
Aw that's a shame. Bet that will be you one day though!
I hope so!
I think I'm going to cry... I think I've managed to hunt down a place that:
1) Does large animals (as well as exotics
)
2) Does work experience for 16 year olds
3) Isn't so far away that it may as well be in flipping Narnia
4) Is easily reachable on public transport (only 1 and a half hours away )
I'm going to wake up in a second, this is too good to be true.
1) Does large animals (as well as exotics
)2) Does work experience for 16 year olds
3) Isn't so far away that it may as well be in flipping Narnia
4) Is easily reachable on public transport (only 1 and a half hours away
)I'm going to wake up in a second, this is too good to be true.
Original post by Little Tail Chaser
I think I'm going to cry... I think I've managed to hunt down a place that:
1) Does large animals (as well as exotics )
2) Does work experience for 16 year olds
3) Isn't so far away that it may as well be in flipping Narnia
4) Is easily reachable on public transport (only 1 and a half hours away )
I'm going to wake up in a second, this is too good to be true.
1) Does large animals (as well as exotics
)2) Does work experience for 16 year olds
3) Isn't so far away that it may as well be in flipping Narnia
4) Is easily reachable on public transport (only 1 and a half hours away
)I'm going to wake up in a second, this is too good to be true.
Woooo!!
I kinda went smiley mad but they are so fun! On a related note how the feck do you write a decent CV? 
I have one from last year but it's nasty and outdated.
Ehh, I'll do it tomorrow
I have one from last year but it's nasty and outdated.Ehh, I'll do it tomorrow
Original post by Little Tail Chaser
On a related note how the feck do you write a decent CV? I have one from last year but it's nasty and outdated.
Ehh, I'll do it tomorrow
I have one from last year but it's nasty and outdated.Ehh, I'll do it tomorrow
If you need any help give me a message
I spent weeks editing mine and I think I've now got it as perfect as it can possibly be 
Ok... I've been reading this thread for a while and wasn't going to post, but I've changed my mind!
You lot being rude to skatealexia for being old are going to have to sit down before you hear how old I am... I'm at least 3 years older than her which will probably make me 5-7 years older that a lot of you so bring on the old fart jokes...
I'm hoping to apply in 2014 for 2015 entry, though that depends upon many circumstances at the time and over the next couple of years. I don't have a lot of 'work experience' but I have plenty of experience with animals over my lifetime. Right now I have booked up:
2 weeks small animal, (which could turn into a long term placement)
2 weeks large animal,
1 week lab,
1 week equine,
anytime I want at a local man's small holding where he has pigs, sheep, alpacas, chickens and turkeys (I think...)
Plus the possibility of:
1 week at AHT,
1-2 weeks at another equine vet,
2-4 weeks at other small animal practices on which I am awaiting confirmation,
I'm also waiting to hear from the local rare breeds centre which I have heard has taken on wex people in the past,
I also hope to spend some time at a rescue centre and cats protection.
I also have about 14 months working in a microbiology lab which wasn't to do with animals but I believe it will be useful scientific practice experience,
I also hope to pass my BHS stage III and IV and PTT tests which all count for UCAS points and I would like to do a Kelly Marks Intelligent Horsemanship course or two if I could afford it.
I'm doing Biology and Chemistry A2's next June as well as AS Physics which I will top up to A2 in June 2014. So hopefully in 2014-15 I'll have some more time to get some more experience.
I'm hoping to apply to: (in order of preference)
Bristol,
Edinburgh,
RVC,
Cambridge (maybe)/ Surrey (I'll have a look but like a lot of you I'm not sure if I want to be the first year)
and Bristol and/or Edinburgh and/or Cambridge for Zoology/Nat Sci Zoology.
Horse racing is my absolute passion in life and I am hoping to become an equine vet as horses have always been my life, I want to work in racing. Though I am very interested in dogs particularly genetic disorders and their testing and I have 3 cats so I wouldn't be uninterested in being any kind of animal vet.
The main reason I posted was to talk about the Grand National. I'll try to keep it brief because I am liable to waffle for hours about this!
The fences should be made smaller: WRONG. If the height of the fences is changed at all then they should go up significantly. If the fences are smaller this draws the horses and jockeys to go faster and the saying 'speed kills' is very true in racing and most walks of life. If the fences are bigger it means the horses and jockeys will back off from them, sit back on their hocks (which is where the power for jumping comes from) meaning not only is the horse less likely to take a nasty fast tumble on their necks, but they are also more physically able to jump the fences correctly.
There are too many runners: I completely agree with this point, though many involved in the race and racing in general would shoot you down for saying it. I think there should be 30 max and they should run another race over the fences for those who don't get in. Fortunately this years race was much safer and better, but I still think that 40 is far too many and reducing the field size would greatly reduce the risk to both horse and rider.
To correct a couple of points made. The horse Synchronised who won the Gold Cup last year and was then killed in last year's Grand National did get loose before the race. However he did not gallop around and get tired, he cantered a little way down the course where he was caught and re-mounted. There was discussion about him being taken out because it was unlike him to spook like he did (which is what caused A P McCoy to fall off). However the horse was completely sound and they found no reason not to run him. His incident was very unfortunate because he unseated and was then brought down by another horse when running loose and broke a leg. His injury and the other horses', According To Pete, were both long bone breaks which can be very common in horses. It was a great shame, but the kind of injuries they sustained could have just as easily happened in the field or whilst being hacked out. I have seen it happen in the field and whilst out on a hack, there is nothing that can be done to prevent it or treat it.
The 2011 National marked the changes to the whip rules. Ballabriggs (the horse) had to be given oxygen after the race and he briefly collapsed due to heat exhaustion. It was an uncharacteristically hot day and it was found that Aintree was at fault here because there wasn't sufficient water available to help the runners cool down. Jason Maguire (his jockey) was given a long ban and he is the reason that the rules are much stricter which can only be a good thing.
On the animal testing question I see that it is important because some of the reactions that certain things might produce would be very unpleasant to experience. But saying that as a person you can CHOOSE to take part in the trial whereas as an animal you have no choice, you just have to get on with it. I think it is very exploitative and there is no excuse, it should be abolished.
Wow, long post! Sorry!
You lot being rude to skatealexia for being old are going to have to sit down before you hear how old I am... I'm at least 3 years older than her which will probably make me 5-7 years older that a lot of you so bring on the old fart jokes...
I'm hoping to apply in 2014 for 2015 entry, though that depends upon many circumstances at the time and over the next couple of years. I don't have a lot of 'work experience' but I have plenty of experience with animals over my lifetime. Right now I have booked up:
2 weeks small animal, (which could turn into a long term placement)
2 weeks large animal,
1 week lab,
1 week equine,
anytime I want at a local man's small holding where he has pigs, sheep, alpacas, chickens and turkeys (I think...)
Plus the possibility of:
1 week at AHT,
1-2 weeks at another equine vet,
2-4 weeks at other small animal practices on which I am awaiting confirmation,
I'm also waiting to hear from the local rare breeds centre which I have heard has taken on wex people in the past,
I also hope to spend some time at a rescue centre and cats protection.
I also have about 14 months working in a microbiology lab which wasn't to do with animals but I believe it will be useful scientific practice experience,
I also hope to pass my BHS stage III and IV and PTT tests which all count for UCAS points and I would like to do a Kelly Marks Intelligent Horsemanship course or two if I could afford it.
I'm doing Biology and Chemistry A2's next June as well as AS Physics which I will top up to A2 in June 2014. So hopefully in 2014-15 I'll have some more time to get some more experience.
I'm hoping to apply to: (in order of preference)
Bristol,
Edinburgh,
RVC,
Cambridge (maybe)/ Surrey (I'll have a look but like a lot of you I'm not sure if I want to be the first year)
and Bristol and/or Edinburgh and/or Cambridge for Zoology/Nat Sci Zoology.
Horse racing is my absolute passion in life and I am hoping to become an equine vet as horses have always been my life, I want to work in racing. Though I am very interested in dogs particularly genetic disorders and their testing and I have 3 cats so I wouldn't be uninterested in being any kind of animal vet.
The main reason I posted was to talk about the Grand National. I'll try to keep it brief because I am liable to waffle for hours about this!
The fences should be made smaller: WRONG. If the height of the fences is changed at all then they should go up significantly. If the fences are smaller this draws the horses and jockeys to go faster and the saying 'speed kills' is very true in racing and most walks of life. If the fences are bigger it means the horses and jockeys will back off from them, sit back on their hocks (which is where the power for jumping comes from) meaning not only is the horse less likely to take a nasty fast tumble on their necks, but they are also more physically able to jump the fences correctly.
There are too many runners: I completely agree with this point, though many involved in the race and racing in general would shoot you down for saying it. I think there should be 30 max and they should run another race over the fences for those who don't get in. Fortunately this years race was much safer and better, but I still think that 40 is far too many and reducing the field size would greatly reduce the risk to both horse and rider.
To correct a couple of points made. The horse Synchronised who won the Gold Cup last year and was then killed in last year's Grand National did get loose before the race. However he did not gallop around and get tired, he cantered a little way down the course where he was caught and re-mounted. There was discussion about him being taken out because it was unlike him to spook like he did (which is what caused A P McCoy to fall off). However the horse was completely sound and they found no reason not to run him. His incident was very unfortunate because he unseated and was then brought down by another horse when running loose and broke a leg. His injury and the other horses', According To Pete, were both long bone breaks which can be very common in horses. It was a great shame, but the kind of injuries they sustained could have just as easily happened in the field or whilst being hacked out. I have seen it happen in the field and whilst out on a hack, there is nothing that can be done to prevent it or treat it.
The 2011 National marked the changes to the whip rules. Ballabriggs (the horse) had to be given oxygen after the race and he briefly collapsed due to heat exhaustion. It was an uncharacteristically hot day and it was found that Aintree was at fault here because there wasn't sufficient water available to help the runners cool down. Jason Maguire (his jockey) was given a long ban and he is the reason that the rules are much stricter which can only be a good thing.
On the animal testing question I see that it is important because some of the reactions that certain things might produce would be very unpleasant to experience. But saying that as a person you can CHOOSE to take part in the trial whereas as an animal you have no choice, you just have to get on with it. I think it is very exploitative and there is no excuse, it should be abolished.
Wow, long post! Sorry!
(edited 11 years ago)
Original post by SuperCat007
Ok... I've been reading this thread for a while and wasn't going to post, but I've changed my mind!
You lot being rude to skatealexia for being old are going to have to sit down before you hear how old I am... I'm at least 3 years older than her which will probably make me 5-7 years older that a lot of you so bring on the old fart jokes...
I'm hoping to apply in 2014 for 2015 entry, though that depends upon many circumstances at the time and over the next couple of years. I don't have a lot of 'work experience' but I have plenty of experience with animals over my lifetime. Right now I have booked up:
2 weeks small animal, (which could turn into a long term placement)
2 weeks large animal,
1 week lab,
1 week equine,
anytime I want at a local man's small holding where he has pigs, sheep, alpacas, chickens and turkeys (I think...)
Plus the possibility of:
1 week at AHT,
1-2 weeks at another equine vet,
2-4 weeks at other small animal practices on which I am awaiting confirmation,
I'm also waiting to hear from the local rare breeds centre which I have heard has taken on wex people in the past,
I also hope to spend some time at a rescue centre and cats protection.
I also have about 14 months working in a microbiology lab which wasn't to do with animals but I believe it will be useful scientific practice experience,
I also hope to pass my BHS stage III and IV and PTT tests which all count for UCAS points.
I'm doing Biology and Chemistry A2's next June as well as AS Physics which I will top up to A2 in June 2014. So hopefully in 2014-15 I'll have some more time to get some more experience.
I'm hoping to apply to: (in order of preference)
Bristol,
Edinburgh,
RVC,
Cambridge (maybe)/ Surrey (I'll have a look but like a lot of you I'm not sure if I want to be the first year)
and Bristol and/or Edinburgh and/or Cambridge for Zoology/Nat Sci Zoology.
Horse racing is my absolute passion in life and I am hoping to become an equine vet as horses have always been my life, I want to work in racing. Though I am very interested in dogs particularly genetic disorders and their testing and I have 3 cats so I wouldn't be uninterested in being any kind of animal vet.
The main reason I posted was to talk about the Grand National. I'll try to keep it brief because I am liable to waffle for hours about this!
The fences should be made smaller: WRONG. If the height of the fences is changed at all then they should go up significantly. If the fences are smaller this draws the horses and jockeys to go faster and the saying 'speed kills' is very true in racing and most walks of life. If the fences are bigger it means the horses and jockeys will back off from them, sit back on their hocks (which is where the power for jumping comes from) meaning not only is the horse less likely to take a nasty fast tumble on their necks, but they are also more physically able to jump the fences correctly.
2. There are too many runners: I completely agree with this point, though many involved in the race and racing in general would shoot you down for saying it. I think there should be 30 max and they should run another race over the fences for those who don't get in. Fortunately this years race was much safer and better, but I still think that 40 is far too many and reducing the field size would greatly reduce the risk to both horse and rider.
To correct a couple of points made. The horse Synchronised who won the Gold Cup last year and was then killed in last year's Grand National did get loose before the race. However he did not gallop around and get tired, he cantered a little way down the course where he was caught and re-mounted. There was discussion about him being taken out because it was unlike him to spook like he did (which is what caused A P McCoy to fall off). However the horse was completely sound and they found no reason not to run him. His incident was very unfortunate because he unseated and was then brought down by another horse when running loose and broke a leg. His injury and the other horses', According To Pete, were both long bone breaks which can be very common in horses. It was a great shame, but the kind of injuries they sustained could have just as easily happened in the field or whilst being hacked out. I have seen it happen in the field and whilst out on a hack, there is nothing that can be done to prevent it or treat it.
The 2011 National marked the changes to the whip rules. Ballabriggs (the horse) had to be given oxygen after the race and he briefly collapsed due to heat exhaustion. It was an uncharacteristically hot day and it was found that Aintree was at fault here because there wasn't sufficient water available to help the runners cool down. Jason Maguire (his jockey) was given a long ban and he is the reason that the rules are much stricter which can only be a good thing.
On the animal testing question I see that it is important because some of the reactions that certain things might produce would be very unpleasant to experience. But saying that as a person you can CHOOSE to take part in the trial whereas as an animal you have no choice, you just have to get on with it. I think it is very exploitative and there is no excuse, it should be abolished.
Wow, long post! Sorry!
You lot being rude to skatealexia for being old are going to have to sit down before you hear how old I am... I'm at least 3 years older than her which will probably make me 5-7 years older that a lot of you so bring on the old fart jokes...
I'm hoping to apply in 2014 for 2015 entry, though that depends upon many circumstances at the time and over the next couple of years. I don't have a lot of 'work experience' but I have plenty of experience with animals over my lifetime. Right now I have booked up:
2 weeks small animal, (which could turn into a long term placement)
2 weeks large animal,
1 week lab,
1 week equine,
anytime I want at a local man's small holding where he has pigs, sheep, alpacas, chickens and turkeys (I think...)
Plus the possibility of:
1 week at AHT,
1-2 weeks at another equine vet,
2-4 weeks at other small animal practices on which I am awaiting confirmation,
I'm also waiting to hear from the local rare breeds centre which I have heard has taken on wex people in the past,
I also hope to spend some time at a rescue centre and cats protection.
I also have about 14 months working in a microbiology lab which wasn't to do with animals but I believe it will be useful scientific practice experience,
I also hope to pass my BHS stage III and IV and PTT tests which all count for UCAS points.
I'm doing Biology and Chemistry A2's next June as well as AS Physics which I will top up to A2 in June 2014. So hopefully in 2014-15 I'll have some more time to get some more experience.
I'm hoping to apply to: (in order of preference)
Bristol,
Edinburgh,
RVC,
Cambridge (maybe)/ Surrey (I'll have a look but like a lot of you I'm not sure if I want to be the first year)
and Bristol and/or Edinburgh and/or Cambridge for Zoology/Nat Sci Zoology.
Horse racing is my absolute passion in life and I am hoping to become an equine vet as horses have always been my life, I want to work in racing. Though I am very interested in dogs particularly genetic disorders and their testing and I have 3 cats so I wouldn't be uninterested in being any kind of animal vet.
The main reason I posted was to talk about the Grand National. I'll try to keep it brief because I am liable to waffle for hours about this!
The fences should be made smaller: WRONG. If the height of the fences is changed at all then they should go up significantly. If the fences are smaller this draws the horses and jockeys to go faster and the saying 'speed kills' is very true in racing and most walks of life. If the fences are bigger it means the horses and jockeys will back off from them, sit back on their hocks (which is where the power for jumping comes from) meaning not only is the horse less likely to take a nasty fast tumble on their necks, but they are also more physically able to jump the fences correctly.
2. There are too many runners: I completely agree with this point, though many involved in the race and racing in general would shoot you down for saying it. I think there should be 30 max and they should run another race over the fences for those who don't get in. Fortunately this years race was much safer and better, but I still think that 40 is far too many and reducing the field size would greatly reduce the risk to both horse and rider.
To correct a couple of points made. The horse Synchronised who won the Gold Cup last year and was then killed in last year's Grand National did get loose before the race. However he did not gallop around and get tired, he cantered a little way down the course where he was caught and re-mounted. There was discussion about him being taken out because it was unlike him to spook like he did (which is what caused A P McCoy to fall off). However the horse was completely sound and they found no reason not to run him. His incident was very unfortunate because he unseated and was then brought down by another horse when running loose and broke a leg. His injury and the other horses', According To Pete, were both long bone breaks which can be very common in horses. It was a great shame, but the kind of injuries they sustained could have just as easily happened in the field or whilst being hacked out. I have seen it happen in the field and whilst out on a hack, there is nothing that can be done to prevent it or treat it.
The 2011 National marked the changes to the whip rules. Ballabriggs (the horse) had to be given oxygen after the race and he briefly collapsed due to heat exhaustion. It was an uncharacteristically hot day and it was found that Aintree was at fault here because there wasn't sufficient water available to help the runners cool down. Jason Maguire (his jockey) was given a long ban and he is the reason that the rules are much stricter which can only be a good thing.
On the animal testing question I see that it is important because some of the reactions that certain things might produce would be very unpleasant to experience. But saying that as a person you can CHOOSE to take part in the trial whereas as an animal you have no choice, you just have to get on with it. I think it is very exploitative and there is no excuse, it should be abolished.
Wow, long post! Sorry!
Wow you really know a lot about racing haha! That was a really good read
I wasn't sure about the Synchronised incident, it was a real shame. I guess it was just a huge coincidence so people decided to blame what happened beforehand. You made some amazing points though, it went very well this year though!
About animal testing I don't think it will ever be abolished, and I'm still on the fence about wether it should or shouldn't be. I don't think there is really a right or wrong answer
In my opinion though it is important but I'm still not quite sure on the morals of it 
Cosmetic testing is terrible though and is just not needed. Welcome to the thread!
I'm not really a proper member of this thread but I can't make a 2016 thread yet...haha Back again from the farm. 
One of the ponies was in heat, so the lovely lady that runs the pony zone was telling me all about oestrus cycles, which was interesting.
I spoke to the farmer that's leaving, and you were right Canine, he is taking up a teaching job. I've had a look at the website for the place he's going to and it looks incredible so good for him.
Only bad part of the day was that it's been a WEEK since Easter and already we're getting "I can't look after my rabbit any more, can I bring it here?"
Hi there, welcome to the thread!
Hopefully you will find it as useful as I do!
Thank you very much for sharing your views on the subject of horse racing Clearly you are a lot more knowledgeable than I! Do you have your own horse by any chance?
One of the ponies was in heat, so the lovely lady that runs the pony zone was telling me all about oestrus cycles, which was interesting. I spoke to the farmer that's leaving, and you were right Canine, he is taking up a teaching job. I've had a look at the website for the place he's going to and it looks incredible so good for him.
Only bad part of the day was that it's been a WEEK since Easter and already we're getting "I can't look after my rabbit any more, can I bring it here?"
Original post by SuperCat007
Ok... I've been reading this thread for a while and wasn't going to post, but I've changed my mind!
Wow, long post! Sorry!
Wow, long post! Sorry!
Hi there, welcome to the thread!
Hopefully you will find it as useful as I do!Thank you very much for sharing your views on the subject of horse racing
Clearly you are a lot more knowledgeable than I! Do you have your own horse by any chance?
Original post by SuperCat007
x!
Welcome
. You sound very knowledgeable. You're not applying to Liverpool but want to be an equine vet?? 
Original post by SuperCat007
Ok... I've been reading this thread for a while and wasn't going to post, but I've changed my mind!
Hey, welcome to the thread! And it's never too late to pursue your dreams & you've got plenty of work experience and a lot of it booked. Probably more than all the 16 year olds here wanting to apply to VetMed.
You seem very knowledgeable too, so you could probably teach us a thing or two Original post by SuperCat007
After some research I have realized I will also apply for 2015, instead of 2014. So guess I am slightly older than most here as well. So, you're not alone
Original post by Chaitoo
After some research I have realized I will also apply for 2015, instead of 2014. So guess I am slightly older than most here as well. So, you're not alone
Another newbie to the thread, welcome!
How come you've decided to apply for 2015 entry rather than '14? Work experience I assume, do you have much done so far?
Original post by Chaitoo
After some research I have realized I will also apply for 2015, instead of 2014. So guess I am slightly older than most here as well. So, you're not alone
Welcome to the thread
Original post by Chaitoo
After some research I have realized I will also apply for 2015, instead of 2014. So guess I am slightly older than most here as well. So, you're not alone
welcome to the thread!
Hey sorry I've been quiet recently mix of studying, lambing and sleeping I enjoyed it yeah thanks back next week Welcome all new posters! And I agree it's never too late to pursue your ambition! I never knew so much about the Grand National but that post has made me open my eyes further Have you both finished your compulsory schooling then (being dinosaurs and all just kidding )? But nevertheless I'm glad you joined - this thread is getting into full swing
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I enjoyed it yeah thanks back next week Welcome all new posters! And I agree it's never too late to pursue your ambition! I never knew so much about the Grand National but that post has made me open my eyes further Have you both finished your compulsory schooling then (being dinosaurs and all just kidding )? But nevertheless I'm glad you joined - this thread is getting into full swing Posted from TSR Mobile
Original post by CanineVet
Hey sorry I've been quiet recently mix of studying, lambing and sleeping I enjoyed it yeah thanks back next week Welcome all new posters! And I agree it's never too late to pursue your ambition! I never knew so much about the Grand National but that post has made me open my eyes further Have you both finished your compulsory schooling then (being dinosaurs and all just kidding )? But nevertheless I'm glad you joined - this thread is getting into full swing
I enjoyed it yeah thanks back next week Welcome all new posters! And I agree it's never too late to pursue your ambition! I never knew so much about the Grand National but that post has made me open my eyes further Have you both finished your compulsory schooling then (being dinosaurs and all just kidding )? But nevertheless I'm glad you joined - this thread is getting into full swing Haha, it really is! So many people joining, makes it seem like 2015 is not far away at all
Original post by CanineVet
Hey sorry I've been quiet recently mix of studying, lambing and sleeping I enjoyed it yeah thanks back next week Welcome all new posters! And I agree it's never too late to pursue your ambition! I never knew so much about the Grand National but that post has made me open my eyes further Have you both finished your compulsory schooling then (being dinosaurs and all just kidding )? But nevertheless I'm glad you joined - this thread is getting into full swing
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I enjoyed it yeah thanks back next week Welcome all new posters! And I agree it's never too late to pursue your ambition! I never knew so much about the Grand National but that post has made me open my eyes further Have you both finished your compulsory schooling then (being dinosaurs and all just kidding )? But nevertheless I'm glad you joined - this thread is getting into full swing Posted from TSR Mobile
Original post by MonMon
Haha, it really is! So many people joining, makes it seem like 2015 is not far away at all
We've almost caught up to the 2014 thread, even though our thread has only been around for a fraction of the time that theirs has
Original post by Minzy
Hey guys
For anyone who's already done some farm work, what did you wear? And any tips?
Starting a dairy placement tomorrow and a bit stumped on what to wear to keep warm haha (it's been sorta cold lately).
For anyone who's already done some farm work, what did you wear? And any tips?
Starting a dairy placement tomorrow and a bit stumped on what to wear to keep warm haha (it's been sorta cold lately).
Clothes that you don't mind ruining!
I tend not to get cold, but I'm usually fine in just a long sleeved t-shirt and hoodie. I avoid jeans because denim takes forever to dry if it gets wet, but most other trousers will be fine. Steel capped boots are handy if you have them, if not then wellies are great. I usually wear several pairs of socks though, frozen toes are not fun.
(edited 11 years ago)
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