Why do people defend Islam?

This isn't cogent logic. If there is such a thing as freedom of speech then I am allowed to not accept whatever ideology I like, whether it is Islam or Nazism. I am also allowed to explain to people why we shouldn't accept an ideology, and also encourage people not to. Freedom of speech should mean I can say whatever I like, end of story.

Moreover, "rights" don't actually exist. They are completely made up. If a Muslim suicide bomber goes and blows up a bunch of people for not believing what he believes, then where exactly do 'rights' come into it? They're all dead, end of story. Saying whether he had the 'right' to do it or not is absolutely meaningless.

This is a belligerent and controversial thread posted on purpose. Goodness

Wow, great argument. Also, can you refute anything I have said in my original post? No one actually seems to have done this yet.

I'm sure I'll get plenty of lovely responses to this...

Islam, like it's prequel Christianity, is an abhorrent, loony ideology. Both religions share equally demented and malicious Gods. Islam is even more fun though because instead of having a possibly slightly schizophrenic hippie dude as its prophet it has a murderous warlord.

Stephen Fry got attacked for tweeting: (regarding Muslims) "Oh, have a look around the world and see them slaughtering each other, let alone others. So charming to women too …"

The fact is though, what he said deserves to be defended. Name one Islamic country which practices good civil rights, maintains egalitarianism, and supports even half decent LGBT rights.

If you defend Islam you either realize you are defending a poisonous ideology and you are therefore amoral, or you are simply delusional.

Defense for Islam usually reminds me of the kind of short-sighted misinformation that racists use to defend their own absurd theories such as holocaust denial.

A common very defense for Islam I have heard usually goes along the lines of "Western countries have far higher rapes of rate than Islamic countries. Saudi Arabia has one of the lowest rates of rape in the world".

Now, if you say this, you are either unintelligent, or you are knowingly spouting rubbish at the expense of the masses of women who are beaten up, raped, and tortured every day in countries such as Iran, Afghanistan, and the KSA.

The reason why rape and domestic violence may appear higher in the West is of course because women aren't usually afraid to report the crimes. In most countries in the Middle-East a woman will usually only be ridiculed for reporting being raped or beaten, or in the case of being raped she may actually be punished, either by state law or family.

It is undeniable that Islam has done absolutely nothing to help women or homosexuals in the Middle East, South East Asia, and Africa. It has just been used as a tool to suppress these demographics more then they ever have been and give them absolutely no voice, no education, and no freedom.

Please lets stop the acceptance of this poisonous ideology. It deserves no excuses.

I'm sure I'll get plenty of lovely responses to this...

Islam, like it's prequel Christianity, is an abhorrent, loony ideology. Both religions share equally demented and malicious Gods. Islam is even more fun though because instead of having a possibly slightly schizophrenic hippie dude as its prophet it has a murderous warlord.

Stephen Fry got attacked for tweeting: (regarding Muslims) "Oh, have a look around the world and see them slaughtering each other, let alone others. So charming to women too …"

The fact is though, what he said deserves to be defended. Name one Islamic country which practices good civil rights, maintains egalitarianism, and supports even half decent LGBT rights.

If you defend Islam you either realize you are defending a poisonous ideology and you are therefore amoral, or you are simply delusional.

Defense for Islam usually reminds me of the kind of short-sighted misinformation that racists use to defend their own absurd theories such as holocaust denial.

A common very defense for Islam I have heard usually goes along the lines of "Western countries have far higher rapes of rate than Islamic countries. Saudi Arabia has one of the lowest rates of rape in the world".

Now, if you say this, you are either unintelligent, or you are knowingly spouting rubbish at the expense of the masses of women who are beaten up, raped, and tortured every day in countries such as Iran, Afghanistan, and the KSA.

The reason why rape and domestic violence may appear higher in the West is of course because women aren't usually afraid to report the crimes. In most countries in the Middle-East a woman will usually only be ridiculed for reporting being raped or beaten, or in the case of being raped she may actually be punished, either by state law or family.

It is undeniable that Islam has done absolutely nothing to help women or homosexuals in the Middle East, South East Asia, and Africa. It has just been used as a tool to suppress these demographics more then they ever have been and give them absolutely no voice, no education, and no freedom.

Please lets stop the acceptance of this poisonous ideology. It deserves no excuses.

True, people can defend in all they like, just like people can defend the Holocaust.

Doesn't change the facts. I'm from a muslim background, an 'ex-Muslim' if you wish (though I was never really into it).

If those that defend Islam, just for once read the Qur'an, or any of the Sahih Hadiths, I'm sure they would change their minds.

Note that I consider Islam to be an idea, just like capitalism, socialism, fascism, anarchism and any other ism. I don't get why religions are privalidged in the sense that any criticism is deemed bigotry (especially Islam). One would not be called bigoted if they criticised any political or social ideology, yet this isn't the same for religion. And just because I dislike islam, doesn't mean I dislike Muslims, all of my extended family are Muslim along with some of my friends (those that accept my apostasy anyway).

Yes agreed. but if you have freedom of speech and no one can stop you from putting forward what you believe is right. the same way no matter how much you criticize Islam, Muslims would not stop believing. do you understand.

As much as I understand those people who are suicide bombers are not actually 'Muslims' even if they claim to. they are just extremists and suicide is forbidden in Islam anyway.

My intention isn't to convert individuals. My intention is to try and get people to understand why many people such as myself have a problem with Islam. I would like a future where Islam isn't as widespread, and isn't as accepted, and I'm simply aiding this to happen by trying to help people realise the problems that often seem to come hand-in-hand with the ideology.



I'm wasn't trying to make a point about Islam. I was trying to make a point about the idea of "rights" being effectively meaningless.

Could you please provide evidence to your claim of muslims/islam being violent or promoting violence?
and i'm sorry but i had no idea you were alive 1440 years ago to witness how women were treated before islam. So how you can say islam has done nothing for women makes no sense what so ever.

Islam doesn't give women an education?? So how did millions of muslim women educate themselves?

It is undeniable that Islam has done absolutely nothing to help women..no education, .

But many people as myself accept others as i go by 'live and let live'. moderate muslims always get taunted as well because of extremists and they have a right to practice their religion as long as they do not hurt anyone. boko haram, talibans, al-qaida, has no place in this world let alone in Islam. just because they claim they are doing it for Islam does not mean they are because nowhere in the Quran is it mentioned to kill innocent people which these groups tend to do.

The Qu'ran is quite disgusting sometimes, but it's actually slightly less disgusting than much of the Old Testament. However, the Hadiths are completely disgraceful, particularly the most trusted one, the Bukhari. The Bukhari Hadith includes many passages where killing, maining, misogyny, and slavery are encouraged.

I understand that some Muslims don't read the Bukhari or give it much consideration. Despite this though, many Islamic countries base much of their law on the Bukhari, so it is undeniable that it has a huge affect on the Islamic world. The Taliban, Al-Qaeda and Boko Haram are all most definitely a product of Islamism, whether you like it or not.

Much could be said about the OP
However, would you, OP, care for a discussion on the following little statement?



I could list many Muslim women who have taught and studied Islamic subjects, and were famous for doing so. Whole books have been written on this subject. In fact, al-Sakhawi dedicated a volume of one of his works on female scholars of Islam, beginning around the year 700.

Well you cannot just pinpoint one religion. there are extremists regardless of religion or race. and they do not represent the whole of Islam and if they claim that they do then it is utter bull**** on their part.

I am not interested to hear about how well women have studied an ideology which I think is a utter rubbish.

Answer this question:

In the past 20 years, has Islamism as an ideology done more or less damage to the education of women in Muslim countries such as Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia?

From what I can gather, almost all of the problems with the education of women in Muslim countries has been caused at root by Islamism, and all the positive things that have happened to women's education seems have been caused by Westernization, which have usually also been met with protests from Muslims.

Islamism is still whats influencing them to do what they do though. You can't deny that.

Yes that is their claim (I do not believe in it one bit) and that is why most moderate muslims also get dragged into it.