The Student Room Group

Feminists have ruined marriage. Women have rights, men have responsibilities. Discuss

Scroll to see replies

Reply 40
Original post by anarchism101
Actually, before second-wave feminism spousal maintenance/alimony legally could only be paid by a man to his ex-wife - the reverse was not legally possible. Nowadays, however, it is indeed possible for a court to insist a woman pay her ex-husband maintenance. Yes, men still pay it more often, but that's because it's generally paid by the higher-earning partner, which more often than not is still men.

How on earth does any of this constitute 'power'?

See above about maintenance. Also, why is it his house?


This.

A man risks losing money - if he is the wealthier partner. A woman risks the same if she is wealthier. Honestly, I'm starting to think that alimony should only cover lost income from the "poorer" partner having given up work to look after kids or whatnot, as opposed to being a blanket sharing of wealth. But that's what you agree to legally when you get married, and it's not sexist, it's just the agreement on both sides. If we close the gender pay gap then men will lose out less from divorce, eh?

I was going to argue more, but tbh I don't think I'm losing out from anyone who thinks the way you do not wanting to marry.
Original post by Pseudocode
You should use Google Scholar for evidence. What even is that site? Did you come across that on some feminists tumblr ramblings or something? Come on now. Proper sources please.


Firstly- whilst I do have a tumblr account, I'm not following any feminist ramblings...yet. Though thanks for the idea! :wink:

Secondly- I found this article on Bing. One of the first ones I found. This article came from Psychology Today, which you may have heard of. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201207/the-battle-the-sexes

Thirdly- I'm on google scholar right now- does this count as evidence?
http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=kYw7ZZzCqNYC&oi=fnd&pg=PR5&dq=are+males+biologically+superior+to+women&ots=HXlYZFTlTl&sig=ZjgIU3bfL4LUAL_YaCD80droZLk#v=onepage&q=are%20males%20biologically%20superior%20to%20women&f=false
http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=WiRrwzdafGEC&oi=fnd&pg=PA9&dq=are+males+biologically+superior+to+women&ots=ZFNwnhSYzB&sig=6vq651K7_BFg0KZtSS92zRHTLj4#v=onepage&q=are%20males%20biologically%20superior%20to%20women&f=false

Reading the reviews for the books (as I sadly don't own the physical copies) I see that neither books suggest that males are biologically superior to females.
Original post by Pseudocode
Because we often have to provide for ourselves, our partners and the children.


Many studies have actually shown that men actually reap more benefits from marriage than women, in the form of mental and physical health benefits.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3150158/

Also this link:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18351023

shows that the reasons for suicide in males do not seem to be anywhere near as clear cut as you seem to think. With some age demographics having single men being the more prevalent in suicide statistics, and in others the married or widowed men. With married men overall not seeming to be the largest suicide group.
(edited 9 years ago)
Original post by TolerantBeing
How about you try and use Scholar to back up your claim that males are by default mentally stronger?

What a hypocrite.


Thanks for making that comment! :biggrin:
Reply 44
http://www.payscale.com/gender-lifetime-earnings-gap

http://www.topmanagementdegrees.com/women-dont-make-less/

Both these diagrams give you concrete reasons as to why women are paid less than men.

Frankly I don't think this is going to change anyone's views simply because you're all as stubborn as each other ...

I agree with a previous user: You can't expect men and women to be paid the same in a capitalist society. If you want the same pay, you might as well join Communism.
Reply 45
The institution of marriage had obviously changed over time, but that is as natural as you and me existing. I think that everyone imagining that this 'traditional' way would forever and ever till they no longer get to care, exist, don't understand or accept the basic things in life. We are how we are today because of this change, which for us was an evolution. Now, idk about you, but I don't see how else could marriage transform, get even more old fashioned? Nah, it goes this way. With the sole arguments that it inhibits masculinity and ends more often than before in divorce it shouldn't also be concluded as being bad. There's more time needed to see the extent of it's impact on society.
If you have any significant wealth you just get the assets out of jurisdiction and hidden.

If you don't, well you can't afford the modern divorce courts anyway so it doesn't ****ing matter.

It's really very simple.
Original post by Jas94
http://www.payscale.com/gender-lifetime-earnings-gap

http://www.topmanagementdegrees.com/women-dont-make-less/

Both these diagrams give you concrete reasons as to why women are paid less than men.

Frankly I don't think this is going to change anyone's views simply because you're all as stubborn as each other ...

I agree with a previous user: You can't expect men and women to be paid the same in a capitalist society. If you want the same pay, you might as well join Communism.


And as I acknowledged earlier, the choice of degree and job choice also plays a role in wage difference. However, what these studies don't show is the pay gap differences within one career (which I would actually like to see, even if it disproves the existence of the pay gap) E.g. What are the average wages for male and female politicians? Are they the same? If not, who earns more on average?
Original post by Jas94
http://www.payscale.com/gender-lifetime-earnings-gap

http://www.topmanagementdegrees.com/women-dont-make-less/

Both these diagrams give you concrete reasons as to why women are paid less than men.

Beautiful. I love evidence which totally destroys feminist talking points. :biggrin:

Reply 49
Original post by GoldenEmblem277
And as I acknowledged earlier, the choice of degree and job choice also plays a role in wage difference. However, what these studies don't show is the pay gap differences within one career (which I would actually like to see, even if it disproves the existence of the pay gap) E.g. What are the average wages for male and female politicians? Are they the same? If not, who earns more on average?


It's men obviously ... since we work more than women.

Oh, by complaining against this concrete evidence, you're only reinforcing the typical feminist stereotype.
idiot posts controversial sentiment with a complete misunderstanding of the subject

gets repped

someone responds addressing the concerns

gets repped

the cycle of life
Reply 51
Original post by MarriageSucks
Beautiful. I love evidence which totally destroys feminist talking points. :biggrin:



Cheers pal!
Reply 52
Original post by doctor francis
idiot posts controversial sentiment with a complete misunderstanding of the subject

gets repped

someone responds addressing the concerns

gets repped

the cycle of life



Who are you referring too? I'm lost :confused:
Don't get married then OP, seems like a pretty simple solution to me.
Spend the rest of your days living life free and easy or commit to a long term monogamous relationship WITHOUT marriage.

Miscounted_ time - solving all life's problems since 5 minutes ago :smile:


Posted from TSR Mobile
Original post by missfats
I hate feminists.

I liked the traditional roles.

Posted from TSR Mobile


self hatred much
Original post by GoldenEmblem277
One simple reason- maturnity leave. Women are the ones who give birth, and thus they have to take time off work to look after their young. Yes, some males do take paternity leave, but often it is the women who get the longer leaves.



Yes but men can get like 2 weeks paternity leave tops. Maybe more men would be willing to or actually want to be able to take more time out when they have a child. Women are the only ones who can get longer maternity leaves realistically.

Do you not think that should be something that is addressed? Not giving the option for the man to spend more time with his child when it is born seems unfair to me.

Also if this became more common you wouldn't have the problem of buinsenesss not hiring young women due to the risk f them having babies if men are just as likely to bugger off for a while to have kids.
(edited 9 years ago)
Reply 56
Original post by doctor francis
self hatred much



How is hating feminism hating oneself?
Original post by Jas94
It's men obviously ... since we work more than women.

Oh, by complaining against this concrete evidence, you're only reinforcing the typical feminist stereotype.


Oh, because we can so easily compare the wage gap between two very different professions... I'm just curious on what the wage gaps are in the same profession, such as politics, or media. Do some careers have smaller wage gaps then others? Are there some careers which pay both genders easily? Do women get paid more then men in some careers and vice versa?

All I want is the full picture. Is that unacceptable?
Reply 58
Original post by GoldenEmblem277
In a marriage- men and women should do equal amounts of housework. Both genders should have a role in bringing up the kids. In cases of divorce, both parties should pay equally.


To all your 'should' statements, says who?
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Yes but men can get like 2 weeks paternity leave tops. Maybe more men would be willing to or actually want to be able to take more time out when they have a child.


I know and that is a really sad thing. :frown: Men should get longer to spend with their kids...

Quick Reply

Latest

Trending

Trending