Do you think multiculturism/mass immigration has been good for this country?
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ok do you think this area is diverse and multicultural or is essentially just a Pakistani/Indian town that has been re established in the UK
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Original post by karl pilkington
white people who are the original people here (not racist just a fact) are now a minority in london http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21511904
White people are not the original population of the UK, but most relevant definitions (whether or not the belief that they were is racist is for another debate). London's population has contained residents of African descent since Roman times, when European and Mediterranean traders settled here. The first Greek, Roman, Middle Eastern and Northern Africans communities in London predate Christianity, and so for the purposes of a debate about modern UK culture, I think it's fair to call a group that well established ''original'' UK residents.
Your link only discusses ''White British'' residents, and appears to be focused on ethnicity rather than cultural background. As far as I'm concerned, anybody who has lived in the UK for their entire life is British, regardless of race, and I hope you'll forgive me for suggesting that claims otherwise are racist.
India has several large religions resident in it, and has had a colonial past (retaining many political aspects of its days under British rule). I think that it would count as a culturally diverse country. China has a lot of religious and social minority groups with distinct cultures and backgrounds, although they are usually repressed and so it possibly isn't as culturally diverse as it could be.
I was suggesting that it was appalling to think that there's nothing to learn from other cultures. It's almost the definition of being closed minded or short sighted.
Also, one of the main problems that the West seems to have with Russia is its lack of diversity. Their governments' desire to oppose ideas seen as being forced upon them by Western political and social pressure (''Protect gay people from discrimination? Never'' etc) is an example of the sort of thing that I'm arguing against.
I'll simplify; People from other cultures can have different ideas. Those ideas can include better ways of doing things than ours. If those people lived in our country, we would get to use their ideas more easily.
Diversity + Acceptance = Easier progress, more adaptable economy, wider range of skills, more areas of knowledge, more diverse and interesting culture, better country for all who live in it.
Original post by karl pilkington
ok do you think this area is diverse and multicultural or is essentially just a Pakistani/Indian town that has been re established in the UK
That's very obviously part of London (have you ever been there?) with a large population of people from a different background. That is a very good place to buy food that I wouldn't otherwise be able to get, to hear an interesting view of global or local affairs that I may not otherwise have considered, or to spend time among some people who are generally friendlier than the ''average'' Londoner.
I don't see how this is meant to support your argument.
Original post by Josb
The first article's conclusion is less definitive as you suggest. It moreover only focuses on the net cost, whilst I would like to see how many immigrants contribute less than they receive in public services - it may be difficult to get these numbers though.
Immigrants working in the banking sector contribute positively to the public finances, contrary to the thousands of uneducated Somalians living in London. So the net cost of these two groups of immigrants may still be positive, but it could be even better without the latter.
Immigrants working in the banking sector contribute positively to the public finances, contrary to the thousands of uneducated Somalians living in London. So the net cost of these two groups of immigrants may still be positive, but it could be even better without the latter.
Sad but true , sadly too few are the exception to the rule.
Original post by TSR Mustafa
Sad but true , sadly too few are the exception to the rule.
Let's give them a better education then.
Original post by sek510i
That's very obviously part of London (have you ever been there?) with a large population of people from a different background. That is a very good place to buy food that I wouldn't otherwise be able to get, to hear an interesting view of global or local affairs that I may not otherwise have considered, or to spend time among some people who are generally friendlier than the ''average'' Londoner.
I don't see how this is meant to support your argument.
I don't see how this is meant to support your argument.
I have walked through there and it was kind of intimidating. Also why aren't there other ethnic groups there and other cultures not only south asians if everywhere is so integrated. Also the original inhabitants here were descendants of the anglo saxons vikings Normans etc so the native population are white.
Original post by sek510i
Let's give them a better education then.
Aye
Also that area has existed like that for ages way before mass immigration (which started in the 90s) so those benefits already existed here.
Original post by viddy9
The notion that we've had "mass immigration" depends on one's definition of "mass". I personally think that we have too little immigration, and that we should liberalise our borders; currently, they're far too closed.
300,000+ is too little? What would be an ideal number?
Original post by karl pilkington
I have walked through there and it was kind of intimidating. Also why aren't there other ethnic groups there and other cultures not only south asians if everywhere is so integrated. Also the original inhabitants here were descendants of the anglo saxons vikings Normans etc so the native population are white.
Why are Indian people intimidating for you? They're not doing anything wrong, and are culturally and traditionally more welcoming that lots of areas in the UK (as I'm afraid you're sort of proving)
Anglo Saxons, Vikings and Normans came *after* the Romans (including those from North Africa and the smaller contingent from the Middle East). Black African population in the UK predates those arrivals. The native population of the UK are and always have been a mixture of cultures, with a larger white population and smaller population from other cultures.
Your repeated assertions that to be British one has to be white are, I'm afraid, racist (even if you are not) and untrue.
Well the title says it all,, multiculturalism and 'mass immigration' are too different things..
Original post by sek510i
Why are Indian people intimidating for you? They're not doing anything wrong, and are culturally and traditionally more welcoming that lots of areas in the UK (as I'm afraid you're sort of proving)
Anglo Saxons, Vikings and Normans came *after* the Romans (including those from North Africa and the smaller contingent from the Middle East). Black African population in the UK predates those arrivals. The native population of the UK are and always have been a mixture of cultures, with a larger white population and smaller population from other cultures.
Your repeated assertions that to be British one has to be white are, I'm afraid, racist (even if you are not) and untrue.
Anglo Saxons, Vikings and Normans came *after* the Romans (including those from North Africa and the smaller contingent from the Middle East). Black African population in the UK predates those arrivals. The native population of the UK are and always have been a mixture of cultures, with a larger white population and smaller population from other cultures.
Your repeated assertions that to be British one has to be white are, I'm afraid, racist (even if you are not) and untrue.
What do you mean the Roman conquest of Britain I'm afraid the population of this country were white before the Romans showed up. Also the only Black people here before would be when this country was first inhabited (you men when Black Africans came over from Europe) this happened tens of thousands of years ago. The population of this country has been white for over a thousand years. If you family has been here for ten generations then yes you are the native population.
Original post by karl pilkington
What do you mean the Roman conquest of Britain I'm afraid the population of this country were white before the Romans showed up. Also the only Black people here before would be when this country was first inhabited (you men when Black Africans came over from Europe) this happened tens of thousands of years ago. The population of this country has been white for over a thousand years. If you family has been here for ten generations then yes you are the native population.
Forget ten generations; lifelong UK citizens are the native population, on a personal or cultural level.
My point is that there have been black people (and people from other ethnic backgrounds) in the UK throughout its history, from Roman times onwards. Therefore, being white is *not* a requirement to be ''British'' or ''English''
The UK's population before the Roman invasion have left very few genetic or cultural traces that we can still easily perceive today, so that seems irrelevant to a modern discussion.
There have been significant numbers of people from China, the Caribbean, India and Africa in the UK for generations. There were close ties between Britain and other European countries for hundreds of years (for example, the UK's German and previously French royal families....).
Could you please clarify exactly what you're arguing here? Are you claiming that people who are not white cannot be British? Are you suggesting that immigration is a new thing? Do you think that other cultures are inferior, or have nothing to offer the UK? Do you think that the UK is somehow better than other countries? What are you trying to argue?
Original post by karl pilkington
Wow. I just watched the clip. This is interesting. Is this in the UK???
I'm German. As you know, many muslim migrant men raped, molested and sexually abused many women in my country since New Year's Day.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ks-list-crimes
http://www.news.com.au/finance/econo...d65045e65e141d
This is the list of sex crimes against German women in one night. I hope you have a strong stomach for this.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-sex-assaults/
You only have to see what the German police commissioner said on national TV to understand the true extent of the migrant crisis. Mind you, the higher command in Germany gave him a piece of their mind following the telecast of this interview. Watch it to believe it.
[video="youtube;SOi8QJD8fiw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOi8QJD8fiw[/video]
Political correctness was what got many, many good, wonderful members on this forum banned for merely questioning the policy decisions linked to immigration/migration such as the one made by my Chancellor to allow all these migrants into my country
•
without checking if they are holding genuine passports
•
without checking if they have links to terrorist groups
•
without checking if they have criminal records in their home countries
•
without checking if they have HIV/AIDS
You may have read or heard, many of these migrants have turned my country upside down. I hope all of you reading my post, bears this in mind. A country's sovereignty, security and safety of its citizens is so so important. With Merkel's blunder, we have become a carbon copy of UK & the rest of EU and their set of problems.
Merkel has been in hiding for many months now. She's pushing 62 years of age. She won't throw in the towel just yet. If UK decides to remain in the EU, I am certain they will make EU into a united states of Europe and she would be the major contender for the post of PM of the USE. Tony Blair has quietened down way too much to be able to stake a claim for that coveted position.
Merkel studied physics and then chemistry. She has no knowledge and understanding about politics, law, finance and sociology. She tells the German public one thing and tells the EU another thing and then tells the world another thing. Sometime back she said that refugees must now return back to their countries of origin after the wars back home have ended.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...-idUSKCN0V80IH
With Turkey's inclusion into the EU imminent, there will be 77 million Turks who will get to make their debut appearance in any of the EU member states. They will not go to France because France has zero tolerance towards Muslims. They will continue to come to Germany or go to the UK where the borders are invincible and where the border agents have zero powers to turn people away.
Fun times ahead.
Multiculturalism has been great for the UK. There are so many great cultures in the UK, which is nice to see. I enjoy meeting people of different cultures, which is one of the great things about the UK.
Immigrants have built this country up so have some respect for them. Without immigrants the UK wouldn't be where it is today. Why do people blame everything on immigrants anyways?
Immigrants have built this country up so have some respect for them. Without immigrants the UK wouldn't be where it is today. Why do people blame everything on immigrants anyways?
Original post by sek510i
Forget ten generations; lifelong UK citizens are the native population, on a personal or cultural level.
My point is that there have been black people (and people from other ethnic backgrounds) in the UK throughout its history, from Roman times onwards. Therefore, being white is *not* a requirement to be ''British'' or ''English''
The UK's population before the Roman invasion have left very few genetic or cultural traces that we can still easily perceive today, so that seems irrelevant to a modern discussion.
There have been significant numbers of people from China, the Caribbean, India and Africa in the UK for generations. There were close ties between Britain and other European countries for hundreds of years (for example, the UK's German and previously French royal families....).
Could you please clarify exactly what you're arguing here? Are you claiming that people who are not white cannot be British? Are you suggesting that immigration is a new thing? Do you think that other cultures are inferior, or have nothing to offer the UK? Do you think that the UK is somehow better than other countries? What are you trying to argue?
My point is that there have been black people (and people from other ethnic backgrounds) in the UK throughout its history, from Roman times onwards. Therefore, being white is *not* a requirement to be ''British'' or ''English''
The UK's population before the Roman invasion have left very few genetic or cultural traces that we can still easily perceive today, so that seems irrelevant to a modern discussion.
There have been significant numbers of people from China, the Caribbean, India and Africa in the UK for generations. There were close ties between Britain and other European countries for hundreds of years (for example, the UK's German and previously French royal families....).
Could you please clarify exactly what you're arguing here? Are you claiming that people who are not white cannot be British? Are you suggesting that immigration is a new thing? Do you think that other cultures are inferior, or have nothing to offer the UK? Do you think that the UK is somehow better than other countries? What are you trying to argue?
No this in incorrect how else do you explain how Amir Khan changed his allegiance to Pakistan or that British born Muslims have gone over to fight against our troops in Afghanistan. A lot of Pakistanis who are born here would still identify as Pakstani, not British (same with British born Chinese). This is kind of the problem just because someone was born here doesn't make them truly British. Also I am not claiming that someone who is not white cannot be British. Also no I don't think our culture is better but it should dominate and be most prevalent. In London this is no longer the case I don't really see one culture as better than an another but think that British culture should be embraced by immigrants rather than them constantly looking back and retaining their own culture they should adapt to our culture and way of life.
Original post by TimeTravel_0
Multiculturalism has been great for the UK. There are so many great cultures in the UK, which is nice to see. I enjoy meeting people of different cultures, which is one of the great things about the UK.
Immigrants have built this country up so have some respect for them. Without immigrants the UK wouldn't be where it is today. Why do people blame everything on immigrants anyways?
Immigrants have built this country up so have some respect for them. Without immigrants the UK wouldn't be where it is today. Why do people blame everything on immigrants anyways?
Immigrants haven't built anything that we couldn't have built ourselves we can survive and prosper without them we don't need them in any way. Also no one is blaming them for anything the question is are you a fan of multiculturism.
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by Audrey18
Wow. I just watched the clip. This is interesting. Is this in the UK???
I'm German. As you know, many muslim migrant men raped, molested and sexually abused many women in my country since New Year's Day.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ks-list-crimes
http://www.news.com.au/finance/econo...d65045e65e141d
This is the list of sex crimes against German women in one night. I hope you have a strong stomach for this.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-sex-assaults/
You only have to see what the German police commissioner said on national TV to understand the true extent of the migrant crisis. Mind you, the higher command in Germany gave him a piece of their mind following the telecast of this interview. Watch it to believe it.
Political correctness was what got many, many good, wonderful members on this forum banned for merely questioning the policy decisions linked to immigration/migration such as the one made by my Chancellor to allow all these migrants into my countrySomeone recently asked me why should people wanting to enter into another country, be checked for HIV/AIDS? This is because the government owes a duty to its citizens to protect them from people who may want to infect others with their communicable diseases. This is an extension of a 'social contract theory'. Read up on it if you have time. Educate yourself.
You may have read or heard, many of these migrants have turned my country upside down. I hope all of you reading my post, bears this in mind. A country's sovereignty, security and safety of its citizens is so so important. With Merkel's blunder, we have become a carbon copy of UK & the rest of EU and their set of problems.
Merkel has been in hiding for many months now. She's pushing 62 years of age. She won't throw in the towel just yet. If UK decides to remain in the EU, I am certain they will make EU into a united states of Europe and she would be the major contender for the post of PM of the USE. Tony Blair has quietened down way too much to be able to stake a claim for that coveted position.
Merkel studied physics and then chemistry. She has no knowledge and understanding about politics, law, finance and sociology. She tells the German public one thing and tells the EU another thing and then tells the world another thing. Sometime back she said that refugees must now return back to their countries of origin after the wars back home have ended.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...-idUSKCN0V80IH
With Turkey's inclusion into the EU imminent, there will be 77 million Turks who will get to make their debut appearance in any of the EU member states. They will not go to France because France has zero tolerance towards Muslims. They will continue to come to Germany or go to the UK where the borders are invincible and where the border agents have zero powers to turn people away.
Fun times ahead.
I'm German. As you know, many muslim migrant men raped, molested and sexually abused many women in my country since New Year's Day.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ks-list-crimes
http://www.news.com.au/finance/econo...d65045e65e141d
This is the list of sex crimes against German women in one night. I hope you have a strong stomach for this.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-sex-assaults/
You only have to see what the German police commissioner said on national TV to understand the true extent of the migrant crisis. Mind you, the higher command in Germany gave him a piece of their mind following the telecast of this interview. Watch it to believe it.
Political correctness was what got many, many good, wonderful members on this forum banned for merely questioning the policy decisions linked to immigration/migration such as the one made by my Chancellor to allow all these migrants into my country
•
without checking if they are holding genuine passports
•
without checking if they have links to terrorist groups
•
without checking if they have criminal records in their home countries
•
without checking if they have HIV/AIDS
You may have read or heard, many of these migrants have turned my country upside down. I hope all of you reading my post, bears this in mind. A country's sovereignty, security and safety of its citizens is so so important. With Merkel's blunder, we have become a carbon copy of UK & the rest of EU and their set of problems.
Merkel has been in hiding for many months now. She's pushing 62 years of age. She won't throw in the towel just yet. If UK decides to remain in the EU, I am certain they will make EU into a united states of Europe and she would be the major contender for the post of PM of the USE. Tony Blair has quietened down way too much to be able to stake a claim for that coveted position.
Merkel studied physics and then chemistry. She has no knowledge and understanding about politics, law, finance and sociology. She tells the German public one thing and tells the EU another thing and then tells the world another thing. Sometime back she said that refugees must now return back to their countries of origin after the wars back home have ended.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...-idUSKCN0V80IH
With Turkey's inclusion into the EU imminent, there will be 77 million Turks who will get to make their debut appearance in any of the EU member states. They will not go to France because France has zero tolerance towards Muslims. They will continue to come to Germany or go to the UK where the borders are invincible and where the border agents have zero powers to turn people away.
Fun times ahead.
The area is Southall in London there are other areas like that. Merkel kind of had the right idea to begin with but then kind of lost her balls. If you look at the video below she has more sense.
[video="youtube;IiWgB_P8cfY"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiWgB_P8cfY[/video]
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