Transgender and public toilets

I also don't suffer from BIID and don't want to chop any of my own limbs off but I can still point out how irrational it is to support or encourage any form of surgical amputation or self-mutilation in those cases.

What's the point you're really trying to make?

I also don't suffer from BIID and don't want to chop any of my own limbs off but I can still point out how irrational it is to support or encourage any form of surgical amputation or self-mutilation in those cases.

What's the point you're really trying to make?

All of you. This is 2017. People can go into the bathroom they want. ITS THEIR BODY NOT YOURS!
Stop assuming our genders!

I'm wondering why you think lacking empathy makes you more qualified to judge how trans people should be treated by health professionals than the health professionals and the evidence based research that advocates for transition.

It's a bit irrational to dismiss medical research and clinical specialists because you think you know better. Are you also a fan of homeopathy?

So the point you're making is that I'm not empathetic enough (by your standards) to have an informed opinion?

Dismissing what research specifically?

Clinical specialists are quite divided as far as I can see.

Saying that you don't understand trans people's desire for surgery is demonstrating a lack of empathy.

You seemed to be using that to justify your opinion that trans healthcare based on evidence and research is doing the wrong thing.

I'd suggest you have a read of the guidance linked to here : http://www.wpath.org/site_page.cfm?pk_association_webpage_menu=1351 if you want to understand best practices in trans healthcare based on evidence and research.

that's a costume, the body hasn't been altered.

That costume turns this boy into a space rocket as much as a synthetic penis turns a woman into a man or silicone breasts turn a man into a woman.

This craziness really needs to stop....

Is it really a lack of empathy?
As someone with boundless empathy, can you truly say you completely understand what they think or feel?

Even after listening to and fully understanding what somebody has explained to you as their perspective, is it wrong to think of their thoughts or feelings as irrational?

I don't need to justify anything, I'm not a criminal or villain for having an opinion that's different to yours. You're not even providing an effective counter argument.

Have you researched what other experts say? You seem to be under the impression that all experts in this field have to be under the same banner and share the same opinion.

I am well aware of the "expertise " of the vocal doctors who argue against transition as effective treatment and the studies that the mis quote as evidence for their opinions.

They have as much scientific rigour to them as homeopathy advocates.

If you're so confident that the wpath and nhs treatment pathways are wrong then feel free to share the evidence you've based that judgement on. Both sets of guidelines are evidence based and subject to improvement - if conversion therapy is effective then there should be proof that it has worked.

no the costume is a costume and can be taken off it doesnt affect the body so get your comparisons right

Why are you so transphobic Chupa? Let people be what they want to be!! He's a space rocket if he thinks he's a space rocket.......and this guy here is a cat....

Why are you so transphobic Chupa? Let people be what they want to be!! He's a space rocket if he thinks he's a space rocket.......and this guy here is a cat....

they can believe whatever they like im not stopping them. but i was making the point that you can't make your body look like a rocket whereas you can make it look like the opposite sex.

aha and why were you arguing that?

what you on about ????

Nothing.

I don't really like the sound of it.

What about women with daughters? Would they feel comfortable aiding their daughter in the toilet whilst a grown man is in the cubicle directly next to them who could take a peek if he wanted to?

I kinda worries me that this is the first thing you though of. I mean, are you just assuming that anyone with a penis is incaple from stopping themselves from looking at kids genitals if presented with the oppertunity? Cos I think that's just you.

Not even considering something that could be beneficial just because someone could do something that's already a punishable crime is dumb. It's like saying we shouldn't have shops cos people might shop lift.