Do you believe there are 2 genders

Nobody gives a damn about the definition that you and your marxist psychologists confer on the word "gender". Your definition is disconnected from our reality.



"Gender: A sex, male or female." Webster's 1828.



You are not in a position to lecture anyone on right and wrong my friend.



So much for getting schooled.



You are wasting your time with these people. Tell them the sky is blue. They will tell you its black. Tell them its black. They will tell you its blue.

I started this discussion in public and got mixed response, so what does TSR think?

That's not exactly the point is it? It's about accessing sex segregated spaces. Being on women's shortlists, winning women's awards, competing in women's sports.

Well, I think they need to be looked at on an issue by issue basis. I suspect, for example, most biological females don't have an issue with a trans-female using the 'ladies' toilets. As a biological male I don't have any problem with trans-males using the 'mens' bogs. That issue is even rendered obsolete where some institutions have unisex facilities.

But that's pure nonsense. You can be whatever you want to be. But pretending gender is anything but stereotypes and focusing your identity around it is crazy. Identity politics is pure horseshit. It's nothing but individualism with people making up new pronouns because obviously they are so special any other already made up pronoun doesn't fit them.

I do believe there are 2 genders, yes. I personally have no idea how the concept of 'non-binary' can even be perceived by people - what would it feel like?

Well, my position on this is mixed. In some contexts biological sexual identity really does matter (most obviously in medical care) but in other contexts maybe not so much or not at all. If I meet a new colleague at work that happens to have been born, biologically, a man but is living now as a woman in gender terms (whether pre or post-op) then why should I have a problem with treating them at work just as if they are a woman?

Imagine that 'gender' is represented by interest in a set of toys. In western society there are recognised 'boys' toys (let's call these 'blue' toys) and recognised 'girls' toys (let's call these 'pink' toys). We encourage and and/or anticipate biological boys will play with the blue and that biological girls will play with the pink. So far so good, biological sex has a corresponding gender, it's all nice and neat. However, what if a biological boy really does want to play with pink, or wants to play with a mixture of blue and pink? What if a biological girl want s to play with toys that aren't obviously 'blue' or 'pink' but are 'yellow'? While biological sex is a binary category (setting aside people who are intersex of course) gender is a more fluid concept and open to the possibility of breaking free of the binary.

Because they’re not.

Imagine that 'gender' is represented by interest in a set of toys. In western society there are recognised 'boys' toys (let's call these 'blue' toys) and recognised 'girls' toys (let's call these 'pink' toys). We encourage and and/or anticipate biological boys will play with the blue and that biological girls will play with the pink. So far so good, biological sex has a corresponding gender, it's all nice and neat. However, what if a biological boy really does want to play with pink, or wants to play with a mixture of blue and pink? What if a biological girl want s to play with toys that aren't obviously 'blue' or 'pink' but are 'yellow'? While biological sex is a binary category (setting aside people who are intersex of course) gender is a more fluid concept and open to the possibility of breaking free of the binary.

Nobody gives a damn about the definition that you and your marxist psychologists confer on the word "gender". Your definition is disconnected from our reality.



"Gender: A sex, male or female." Webster's 1828.



You are not in a position to lecture anyone on right and wrong my friend.



So much for getting schooled.



You are wasting your time with these people. Tell them the sky is blue. They will tell you its black. Tell them its black. They will tell you its blue.

I don't regard that as a sufficient reason.

That example of blue for boys and pink for girls are just stereotypes that can be independent of the boy and girl statuses? Can't someone still be female if they don't follow trends such as playing with 'boy' toys, preferring 'boy' colours? And I've seen gender that means different things to several people, so for more understanding, what does it mean to you?

I don't have a problem with people making them up. I have a problem in why they do it and what they do with it. It's pure narcissism. It's like a **** you to society, because this binary prison isn't good enough for you, so you gotta make sure everyone better call you something special. You gotta make sure everyone knows this about you as one of the first things, you center your identity around it. Sorry, but what a ****ing joke.

Also, the end result of it is 7 billion genders...

I can see what you mean, I agree on some level but I don't think I'm as annoyed about it as you are.

Honestly, I don’t believe it’s in the persons best interest for us as a society (or individuals) to play into their dysphasia/delusion.

Why do you think it's a delusion to be feminine when you're a man or masculine when you're a woman? How is this in anyway a delusion?

If a man is more feminine it's probably just the result of a combination of biological and social factors such as being exposed to less testosterone in the womb and having parents that allowed him to do ballet or something when he little.

Why does this offend you so much?

But why? Check out Jordan Peterson, he got in trouble for rejecting compelled speech. He didn't even say that if asked by a student he would refuse, he just argued that compelled speech is abhorrent.

You should be "annoyed" too at post modernism and identity politics.