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Need help at Bernoulli Equation

Hi!

I have the following Bernoulli equation:
2xyy+(1+x)y2=e2x 2xyy'+(1+x)y^2=e^{2x} , x>0 x>0

limx>0+y(x)<lim_{x -> 0^{+}} y(x) <\infty


The transformation is u=y2 u=y^{2} .

So, u+(1x+1)u=e2xx u'+(\frac{1}{x}+1)u=\frac{e^{2x}}{x}

How can I find a c=u(1)c=u(1) so that limx>0+u(x)<lim_{x -> 0^{+}} u(x) <\infty ??
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Original post by mathmari
Hi!

I have the following Bernoulli equation:
2xyy+(1+x)y2=ex 2xyy'+(1+x)y^2=e^{x} , x>0 x>0

limx>0+y(x)<lim_{x -> 0^{+}} y(x) <\infty


The transformation is u=y2 u=y^{2} .

So, u+(1x+1)u=e2xx u'+(\frac{1}{x}+1)u=\frac{e^{2x}}{x}

How can I find a c=u(1)c=u(1) so that limx>0+u(x)<lim_{x -> 0^{+}} u(x) <\infty ??


I'm not exactly sure of your last question, but it seems like you need to integrate to find uu as a function of xx. Have you tried multiplying through by an integrating factor?

When a differential equation is of the form:

dydx+P(x)y=Q(x)\dfrac{dy}{dx} + P(x) y = Q(x)

You can multiply by an integrating factor, II, of the form ()(*) to solve it, where:

() I=eP(x) dx(*) \ I = e^{\int P(x)\ dx}
Reply 2
I have found the solution of u, it's u(x)=exx(c+e3x3) u(x)=\frac{e^{-x}}{x}(c+\frac{e^{3x}}{3}).
Now I want to find the value of c, so that limx>0+u(x)< lim_{x->0^{+}} u(x)<\infty.
Could you help me to find this?
Reply 3
_for the function you`ve found, what value, when substituted, and then applying L`Hopital`s rule (to the bracket multiplied out )gives the only finite value?

(Hint: this gives a limit value of 1)

EDIT
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Reply 4
Since at the function u(x)=2cex+xe3x3x u(x)=\frac{2ce^{-x}+xe^{3x}}{3x} the denominator equals to zero when x0+ x\rightarrow 0^{+} , to apply the L'Hopital's Rule the nominator has to equal also to zero, so limx0+2cex+xe3x=0c=0 lim_{x\rightarrow 0^{+}}2ce^{-x}+xe^{3x}=0 \Rightarrow c=0 .
Is the answer like that?
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Reply 5
Hint:

take L`Hopital`s rule (one) for the limit as x->0 from the right : (c×ex1)+2e2x3(c \times \frac{-e^{-x}}{1})+\frac{2e^{2x}}{3}
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Reply 6
Thought this was going to be fluid dynamics, soz can't help.
Reply 7
Original post by Hasufel
Hint:

take L`Hopital`s rule (one) for the limit as x->0 from the right : (c×ex1)+2e2x3(c \times \frac{-e^{-x}}{1})+\frac{2e^{2x}}{3}


To take L'Hopital's rule, I have to make sure if the denominator and the numerator equal to zero when x0+ x \rightarrow 0^{+}, don't I???
Reply 8
Original post by mathmari
To take L'Hopital's rule, I have to make sure if the denominator and the numerator equal to zero when x0+ x \rightarrow 0^{+}, don't I???


Correct - l'Hopital won't help you here!

I would separate your solution out into 2 fractions, then substitute the Maclaurin series for the exponentials to see what c has to be to get rid of the terms that are going to cause problems at x = 0.
Actually, it's very simple to get a necessary condition on c. The term exx \frac{e^{-x}}{x} will go to infinity as x0 x \to 0 . To counter that, you have to have c+e3x30 c+\frac{e^{3x}}{3} \to 0 . (This line of reasoning is not able to prove that the limit will indeed be less than infinity, but if you know that the limit is less than infinity then c has to satisfy that condition)
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Reply 10
Original post by davros
Correct - l'Hopital won't help you here!

I would separate your solution out into 2 fractions, then substitute the Maclaurin series for the exponentials to see what c has to be to get rid of the terms that are going to cause problems at x = 0.


u(x)=exx(c+e3x3) u(x)=\frac{e^{-x}}{x}(c+\frac{e^{3x}}{3})

ex=1+x+x22+... e^{x}=1+x+\frac{x^2}{2}+...

ex=1x+x22x33!+... e^{-x}=1-x+\frac{x^2}{2}-\frac{x^3}{3!}+...

e3x=1+3x+(3x)22+... e^{3x}=1+3x+\frac{(3x)^2}{2}+...

So, for small x>0 x>0
u(x)=1xx(c+1+3x3)=(1x1)(c+1+3x3)=1x(c+1+3x3)(c+1+3x3)=1xc+13x+1(c+1+3x3)=1x(c+13)+1(c+1+3x3) u(x)=\frac{1-x}{x}(c+\frac{1+3x}{3})=(\frac{1}{x}-1)(c+\frac{1+3x}{3})=\frac{1}{x}(c+\frac{1+3x}{3})-(c+\frac{1+3x}{3})=\frac{1}{x}c+\frac{1}{3x}+1- (c+\frac{1+3x}{3})=\frac{1}{x}(c+\frac{1}{3})+1- (c+\frac{1+3x}{3}).

Since the term 1x \frac{1}{x} causes problems at x=0 x=0 , we want that c+13=0c=13 c+\frac{1}{3}=0 \Rightarrow c=-\frac{1}{3}.

Is this correct??
Reply 11
Original post by mathmari
u(x)=exx(c+e3x3) u(x)=\frac{e^{-x}}{x}(c+\frac{e^{3x}}{3})

ex=1+x+x22+... e^{x}=1+x+\frac{x^2}{2}+...

ex=1x+x22x33!+... e^{-x}=1-x+\frac{x^2}{2}-\frac{x^3}{3!}+...

e3x=1+3x+(3x)22+... e^{3x}=1+3x+\frac{(3x)^2}{2}+...

So, for small x>0 x>0
u(x)=1xx(c+1+3x3)=(1x1)(c+1+3x3)=1x(c+1+3x3)(c+1+3x3)=1xc+13x+1(c+1+3x3)=1x(c+13)+1(c+1+3x3) u(x)=\frac{1-x}{x}(c+\frac{1+3x}{3})=(\frac{1}{x}-1)(c+\frac{1+3x}{3})=\frac{1}{x}(c+\frac{1+3x}{3})-(c+\frac{1+3x}{3})=\frac{1}{x}c+\frac{1}{3x}+1- (c+\frac{1+3x}{3})=\frac{1}{x}(c+\frac{1}{3})+1- (c+\frac{1+3x}{3}).

Since the term 1x \frac{1}{x} causes problems at x=0 x=0 , we want that c+13=0c=13 c+\frac{1}{3}=0 \Rightarrow c=-\frac{1}{3}.

Is this correct??


That's what I reckon :smile:
Reply 12
Ok!!! Thank you!!! :smile:
That does indeed work, but please see my hint a few posts above. Even if you do like this method though, there is little need to expand exe^{-x} : limx0+u(x)< \lim_{x \to 0^+} u(x) < \infty iff limx0+u(x)ex< \lim_{x \to 0^+} u(x) e^{x} < \infty

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