Inheritance tax.

Ah yeah, forgot to add another thing.

Lazy and/or
Stupid

Do we reward that? Or do we try and improve the gene pool by letting the paupers breed amongst themselves?

Because when based on birth, it isn't that persons own talent that has gained the the success, hence making it more unfair than when success is a result of on'es own talent.

I know you haven't said that, I was referring to people who did. I saw later on that you suggested keeping it the same, as I have said, you have just taken it upon yourself to disagree with me over what I have called others.

I've graduated uni. But since you are 8 and 3/4 I must admit I was wrong to say what I said.

you're saying that someone kicked out of home at 16 because their parents don't have the money to keep them, who then have to work **** jobs because of lack of decent schooling or qualifications has the same chance as lord snooty who's parents are rolling in it, sent their kid to eton followed by oxford?

are you trying to ignore reality, or are you simply thick?

And on and on.... in any case, Labour have won three elections in a row because people came to realise how Tory talk is twattery.

A grown man telling someone else that they are 8 years old on a forum for debate and discussion. I weep.

Alan Sugar wasn't born rich

Poor people are either lazy or stupid, or both? This is the kind of childish "I'm desperate to appear controversial on an internet forum for students" rubbish i'm talking about. Do you think this makes you "cool"?

My turn to throw my hands into the air and make a "Whats happened to the world" proclamation:

What is it with adults/graduates these days? A grown man telling someone else that they are 8 years old on a forum for debate and discussion. I weep.

That's entirely circular.

Why is :

a) success due to who your parents are - ie an accident of birth

less fair than:

b) success due to genetic ability - ie who your parents are - ie an accident of birth.



where possible - though unfortunately it is unattainable given the inherent difference between people.

In his defence, it was me who told him you were eight and three quarters. I was trying to be funny

Usually both. Sometimes a really motivated person is stupid but they can still achieve. I don't know why you think this is controversial, you have yet to provide an example where this isn't true.



Oh god you must be fun on a night out.

Oooh if you want to use this argument why not extend it to the little black kids in Africa dying of Aids, starvation, thirst, malaria, civil war? It is called life and the sooner people stop whinging about their start in life the sooner you start climbing ladders.

Alan Sugar wasn't born rich, neither are hundreds of other millionaires. And they have a lot more money than old Etonians (a system that made our country great remember, as soon as we moved to this "any little poor bugger" can get in power we screwed it up). Motivation coupled with intelligence maketh the man.

No it isn't. There is a direct difference between being given something that you didn't put effort into yourself to gain, and getting something that you used your own efforts to gain. Sure, both are to do with genetics. But one case is someone else's efforts, the other is your own.

So must you. "Hahahaha, that boy is 8- wait for it- and three quarters!" Cue howls of laughter, tears of mirth....

ok, I will. It still applies to kids in Africa: your argument seems to be that anyone can "make it" if they try hard enough regardless of initial social standing and if they don't they're "lazy and/or stupid".

You're telling me that these African kids dring of starvation are just "lazy and/or stupid"?

No. you're using the extreme of one and comparing it to a moderate example of the other.

In both cases, most of time, effort has to be expended by the person to succeed.

Let;s take the example of private education:

one person goes to Eton, the other to his local inner city comp.

The first is of mediocre ability, the second very bright indeed. Both work a similar amount.

They both get similar grades, end up at a similar university, and have similar careers.

Many decry the unfairness of this as the first individual is "born" into his advantage, all the while seeing as perfectly acceptable that the second is "born" into an advantage also.

Christ, these African kids have nothing TO achieve. There is no opportunity in the first place. We are fortunate enough to have opportunity, you want to go one step further and make everybody have the same wealth. Ridiculous!

you're not taking into account background. Whilst I agree, yes it's possible for a child who went to an inner city comp to attain the same level as someone from Eton, there are other factors such as motivation from parents, home life, family security, the possibility that perhaps parents can't afford to have the kid live at home and do 6th form etc etc.

Equality of OPPURTUNITY is in fact very important. I know we aren't all made equal. Who said we were? I did clarify a number of times.