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Show positive square root of (7+4sq rt3)is (sq rt3+2)
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Original post by Laboromniavincit
Show positive square root of (7+4sq rt3)is (sq rt3+2)


Firstly, by saying 'positive square root' it may seem as if 49=±7 \sqrt49 = \pm7 but it's important to understand that x2x,x>0 \sqrt{x^2} \equiv x, x > 0. But for any value of x,x2xx, \sqrt{x^2} \equiv |x| . This function returns always positive values.

So saying positive square root is the same thing as saying square root because square roots are always positive .

If you want to prove the above, try working from the left, squaring both sides and see what you get.
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"This can be written as 4+3+ (2*2*√3)
Then this becomes the square of 2+√3.Here we have used (a + b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2 "Haven't learned this yet but this is what I've come up with from Googling lol :biggrin:
Original post by Desmos
Firstly, by saying 'positive square root' it may seem as if 49=±7 \sqrt49 = \pm7 but it's important to understand that x2x \sqrt{x^2} \equiv x . So saying positive square root is the same thing as saying square root because square roots are always positive .

If you want to prove the above, try working from the left, squaring both sides and see what you get.



Done solved understood 😀
Thanks for your input
Original post by Batgirl98
"This can be written as 4+3+ (2*2*√3)
Then this becomes the square of 2+√3.Here we have used (a + b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2 "Haven't learned this yet but this is what I've come up with from Googling lol :biggrin:

Got it
Was thinking only about left hand expression
Thanks
Original post by Desmos
...but it's important to understand that x2x \sqrt{x^2} \equiv x ....

If you want to prove the above, try working from the left, squaring both sides and see what you get.


Not quite the case. Take x=7x=-7 then x2=(7)2=7x=7\sqrt{x^2} = \sqrt{(-7)^2}=7 \neq x =-7

In fact, x2x\sqrt{x^2} \equiv |x| which is a positive quantity for any xx
Original post by Batgirl98
"This can be written as 4+3+ (2*2*√3)
Then this becomes the square of 2+√3.Here we have used (a + b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2 "Haven't learned this yet but this is what I've come up with from Googling lol :biggrin:


Almost correct approach, though not in the correct order and relies on inspection more than direct proof.

Since we want the square root of 7+437+4\sqrt{3} we can say that this can be represented in the form (a+b3)2(a+b\sqrt{3})^2 where a+b3>0a+b\sqrt{3} > 0 thus we have 7+43=a2+3b2+2ab37+4\sqrt{3}=a^2+3b^2+2ab\sqrt{3}

Then we compare the rationals with rationals, and irrationals with irrationals from both sides to get 7=a2+3b27=a^2+3b^2 and 4=2ab4=2ab and proceed to solve simultaneously for a,ba,b
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Original post by Desmos
Firstly, by saying 'positive square root' it may seem as if 49=±7 \sqrt49 = \pm7 but it's important to understand that x2x \sqrt{x^2} \equiv x . So saying positive square root is the same thing as saying square root because square roots are always positive .

This isn't right.

A square root of aa is any number xx with x2=ax^2=a. So both 4 and -4 are square roots of 16 since 42=164^2=16 and (4)2=16(-4)^2=16.

You see that we can have both positive and negative square roots (and more generally complex square roots). However, the symbol a\sqrt{a} refers only to the positive square root i.e. 16=4>0\sqrt{16}=4 >0
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Original post by RDKGames
Not quite the case. Take x=7x=-7 then x2=(7)2=7x=7\sqrt{x^2} = \sqrt{(-7)^2}=7 \neq x =-7

In fact, x2x\sqrt{x^2} \equiv |x| which is a positive quantity for any xx


Changed to x2x,x>0 \sqrt{x^2} \equiv x, x > 0 . I assume this is mathematically correct?
Original post by Desmos
Changed to x2x,x>0 \sqrt{x^2} \equiv x, x > 0 . I assume this is mathematically correct?


Yes.

x|x| can be defined as:

xx if x0x \geq 0
x-x if x<0x <0

You just stated the first condition pretty much.
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Original post by RDKGames
Yes.

x|x| can be defined as:

xx if x0x \geq 0
x-x if x<0x <0

You just stated the first condition pretty much.


Don't worry, I'm very familiar with the modulus function. But thanks anyway :smile:

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