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Do you think people are born gay?

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Original post by Constantine2018
I fail to see how evolution could possibly suggest that when homosexuality has existed for centuries, even before the theory of evolution was put forward.


The process of evolution far outdated the establishment of the corresponding theory. Evolution suggests that our bodies are programmed to procreate - our anatomy suggests intercourse should take place between heterosexual couples only.
I'm pretty sure I was lol
yeh i came out of my mum with a rainbow flag attached
Original post by mahmoodjr
The process of evolution far outdated the establishment of the corresponding theory. Evolution suggests that our bodies are programmed to procreate - our anatomy suggests intercourse should take place between heterosexual couples only.


What about infertile men and women? Are they also considered a deviation? Having babies is not the sole purpose of everyone's life and a lot of people do not want children. Nothing about our anatomy suggests intercourse can only happen between heterosexuals. Perhaps go watch some lesbian porn and you will see what I mean.
Original post by Constantine2018
Because there are some ignorant people who still have their heads in their ass and think AIDs is a 'gay disease.' As if diseases have brains to think they want to target a specific section of society.


AIDS is a gay disease, in the UK at least, that's not to say other people can't become infected too.
In terms of immunology and disease, the mode of transmission and late linking of HIV with AIDS just meant that gay men quickly became a good "target" for HIV
Also, there will always be people who have unprotected sex- gay or straight.
Original post by Bang Outta Order
It's not a mix. Are people "born straight?"


Again, we don't know the answer. We will never really know so there's no point saying it's one or the other.
Original post by DrawTheLine
Again, we don't know the answer. We will never really know so there's no point saying it's one or the other.


Agreed. Homosexuality is something that just is. It just exists and has done for some time. We don't need to fully understand it
Also I just want to add, if people are not born gay, then they must "turn gay" or be influenced in some way. That suggests that you can also revert homosexuality and convert from gay to straight which everybody knows is a pile of ****
Original post by nathanwjec
Agreed. Homosexuality is something that just is. It just exists and has done for some time. We don't need to fully understand it


Exactly. I don't think it's super important to know if it's nature or nurture or both. It's a part of life and always will be. Sure I'm curious to know about it but I'm not going to spend time researching it.
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Original post by Heidi_16
Are people born gay or do you think it is a thing influenced by society?


it isn't that simple. Studies have shown that it's more of a mix of genetic and environmental factors. "Society" is not powerful enough to make 1 million people in the UK gay.
Reply 70
i used to think people were born gay, but now not anymore, not most at least. I think it's because being 'comfortable to come out' isnt a good enough explanation for the fluctuation of gay people in modern society.
Plus some people take on a super gay personality that wouldn't have passed back in the day- that's just a side thought though.
Original post by nathanwjec
AIDS is a gay disease, in the UK at least, that's not to say other people can't become infected too.
In terms of immunology and disease, the mode of transmission and late linking of HIV with AIDS just meant that gay men quickly became a good "target" for HIV
Also, there will always be people who have unprotected sex- gay or straight.


Probability of transmitting or getting affected by hiv is much higher for a homosexual person.
https://endinghiv.org.nz/blog-events/gay-men-hiv-risk
https://www.verywellhealth.com/why-do-gay-men-have-an-increased-risk-of-hiv-3132782
Original post by mahmoodjr
The process of evolution far outdated the establishment of the corresponding theory. Evolution suggests that our bodies are programmed to procreate - our anatomy suggests intercourse should take place between heterosexual couples only.


Evolution is not actually a 'purpose' driven phenomenon but a consequence driven one. There's no underlying intentionality, only variation and natural selection. So, while it's fair to say that the living products of evolution generally are comprised of physiology and behaviour that facilitates successful reproduction that's evidently not universally so and not 'intended' to be universally so either.
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Homosexuality is not genetic
Original post by arizonaidiot
Probability of transmitting or getting affected by hiv is much higher for a homosexual person.
https://endinghiv.org.nz/blog-events/gay-men-hiv-risk
https://www.verywellhealth.com/why-do-gay-men-have-an-increased-risk-of-hiv-3132782


Exactly. Saying that AIDS isn't a gay disease is like saying a certain cancer isn't a smoking disease
Original post by DrawTheLine
Again, we don't know the answer. We will never really know so there's no point saying it's one or the other.


Why won’t we ever know?
Original post by Plantagenet Crown
Why won’t we ever know?


It's something that is going to be hard to prove. You can't isolate someone from absolutely every single environment to determine if it's a genetic cause, and you can't remove people's genes to determine if it's an environmental cause. It's like trying to prove if people are born to be serial killers, or if they were nurtured into being serial killers. You can't carry out experiments without influence of both of them.

We can get pretty good ideas and develop theories, but imo I don't think we will ever truly 100% be able to say that it's one or the other. It most likely is a mix of both.
Original post by nathanwjec
Exactly. Saying that AIDS isn't a gay disease is like saying a certain cancer isn't a smoking disease


AIDS is better understood as a disease of promiscuity not homosexuality per se. Men are generally much more willing to be promiscuous than women are and the 'brake' that straight women represent on straight male sexual behaviour is consequentially missing for gay males.
Original post by Axiomasher
AIDS is better understood as a disease of promiscuity not homosexuality per se. Men are generally much more willing to be promiscuous than women are and the 'brake' that straight women represent on straight male sexual behaviour is consequentially missing for gay males.


so true, I can't keep it in my pants
Original post by Axiomasher
Evolution is not actually a 'purpose' driven phenomenon but a consequence driven one. There's no underlying intentionality, only variation and natural selection. So, while it's fair to say that the living products of evolution generally are comprised of physiology and behaviour that facilitates successful reproduction that's evidently not universally so and not 'intended' to be universally so either.


I agree that evolution is consequence driven, and as such homosexuality should have become extinct (were it inherent) through a process of survival of the fittest.

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