Abortion - for and against

And frequently it is the partner who finds it inconvenient. But the focus is always on the mother.

How about a lifetime's inconvenience to a reluctant father on the run from the CSA.? Or don't men have anything to do with this process?
Who should be responsible for 'taking precautions' anyway ?

If in doubt, blame a feminist, huh?

Look, men dont get pregnant and women do.

I would always say at the end of the day it's my body and my choice. Also, if it ever happened to me, it would also be my guilt. *some* people here don't seem to be considering that for many women, abortion really isn't an easy option - it can be completely heart-wrenching, life-shattering almost and every day that person will have to live with their descision. So sometimes I think that pro-life campaigners, whilst they make many excellent points, are insensitive. It's a descision everyone has to make for themselves - I also think that if you don't agree with abortion, you don't have to have one, but you shouldn't deny other people. Not if you want to live in a democracy. That we still allow woman the right to choose (upto a certain point) is one of the few indicators our family legal system still works...

OOokay, I'm in a mood for some debating about now.

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Personally? If I ever got pregnant [and trust me, I do my utmost to prevent it via the double dutch method] when I wasn't ready to have a baby, my world would fall apart if I were denied the right to decide what I do with my body, and what I carry in my uterus.

Before I started having sex, I discussed the consequences of sex with my boyfriend [as you should do, really. If you can't talk about it, don't have it, k kids?] Fortunately, when I asked him "if I got pregnant, what would you have me do?" and he said "I'd like you to abort it"

Thank goodness I thought. I also told him that I was glad he's said that, but even if he'd been against abortion, I'd have told him there was no way I was to keep a baby. No way. No matter what he said. Some of you may deem that selfish, in that it would be his baby too...but as far as I'm concerned, nothing sails in my vessel if I don't want it to.

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If abortion were to be outlawed except in exceptional circumstances, I'd get it under the mental health considerations. Having a baby when I'm not prepared would destroy me. I would refuse to have it, on the grounds that I would probably try to throw myself down the stairs anyway. [Yes, it's a personal thing. It's horrible to think it to some of you pro-lifers, but do you know what? I don't care] I know many women regret having abortions, and that's always a big boon to you pro-lifers, but unfortunately, you don't know what state the woman would have been in if she'd kept the baby. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. A wonderful thing that we don't really get until it's too late, and then bucks are passed and the blame rested on someone else.

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The choice to abort should always lie with the woman. It makes me positively boil when I hear tale of girls forced into full term by pushy parents in restrictive cultures, or a partner who threatens to leave. It's disgusting blackmail. I get the feeling that a child born to a mother who has feelings of resentment for it would not bode well with the child's mental health in later life.


Well, that's me. I can't ask you to understand nor agree with me, but my views won't change on how I plan to conduct myself should anything [god forbid] like that happen.-

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Anyway,



I'm going to direct you to the BMJ. It pretty much says your wrong. tonnes of abortion cases are due to contraceptive failure.



Millions of children have uttered "I wish I'd never been born" Unfortunately, we're unable to deduce whether that comes from the heart.



No. It's not practically impossible. Again, I direct you to the BMJ and about a million other sources on google who will all tell you that it's not practically impossible.

And pregnancy via rape is hardly rare and meaningless to the discussion. There are girls raped every damn day. Until I can find some stats I am just going to have to hypothesise that not all rapists wear condoms and whilst not all sex = pregnancy. It happens. It's hardly a rarity.


Yes, it should. But there are already countless children waiting for homes..so they're hardly going to start making it easy for people to give up unwanted children.



minor?

Minor inconvenience?

Lessee.

Okay, firstly there's the time off work/school you're going to need. That's either at a detriment to your household income [alarm bells-you've got to pay for a baby soon] or a detriment to your education.

There's pain and discomfort. Back pain, boob pain, stomach pain, ankle swelling, fatigue.

Increased risk of diabetes. Tell anyone with the disease that it's only minor, and they'll probably hit you.

there's Preterm Delivery, Preeclampsia and Abnormal Uterine Bleeding to worry about. Oh, and some are fatal. [see: not minor]

There's some super fun hypertension risks. Minor too?

Lest we forget the Uterine, Placental and Cervical Complications that a person risks for a child they don't want.

And oh yeah...giving birth hurts.

Call it minor if you want..but I think every medical journal and sane mother will tell you nine months of carrying a sack of potatoes around in your tummy is a little more than minor...thankyou very much.



I'm not a feminist, just to clarify.

But if you think that weighing up the pros and cons of bringing an unwanted child into the world, with the hope of either giving it an uncertain future with adoption, or a future with parents who didn't want it/can't afford it/resent it is irresponsible, then I honestly don't know what you can deem a responsible action.


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Sorry. that was long. I accept no responsibility if your eyes bleed.

I can't believe you quoted the whole thing.

Double dutch = Pill [oral contraceptive - microgynon 30 ] PLUS a condom.

and it prevents pregnancy..uh, a lot. And also STDs

Just one question? What's the double dutch method? Is it anything like doggy style and if so how does this prevent pregnancy?

I believe double dutch is using the pill and condoms at the same time.

in the mouth is safer

One up the bum, no harm done.

nah thats just dirt

Rather be pushing **** than pushing a pram.

What do I need to 'get over'? I've already stated my views on promiscuity. It's not for me. What others do is up to them. I fail to see why women should be expected to be 'morally superior' to men.

That's actually quite insulting...to men.

You're seriously telling me that men are incapable of popping a pill once a day.

Let me reverse that statement: Well, if I were at the risk of making a woman pregnant I wouldn't trust any woman to make sure I didn't get into a situation I did not want.

Yes, it's a biological fact that 'women get pregnant'. It is also a biological fact that it is possible for a man to father hundreds of children in his lifetime, so is it too much to ask that they take responsiblity for their own hyperfertility?

Are you suggesting that men are incapable of doing this?

Maybe you should dress up as Batman, ascend Buckingham Palace and declare 'Families Don't Need Fathers'.

Why doesn't that response surprise me?

I'm going to direct you to the BMJ. It pretty much says your wrong. tonnes of abortion cases are due to contraceptive failure.

Millions of children have uttered "I wish I'd never been born" Unfortunately, we're unable to deduce whether that comes from the heart.

No. It's not practically impossible. Again, I direct you to the BMJ and about a million other sources on google who will all tell you that it's not practically impossible.

And pregnancy via rape is hardly rare and meaningless to the discussion.

There are girls raped every damn day.

Until I can find some stats I am just going to have to hypothesise that not all rapists wear condoms and whilst not all sex = pregnancy. It happens. It's hardly a rarity.

Yes, it should. But there are already countless children waiting for homes..so they're hardly going to start making it easy for people to give up unwanted children.

minor?

Minor inconvenience?

Lessee.

Okay, firstly there's the time off work/school you're going to need. That's either at a detriment to your household income [alarm bells-you've got to pay for a baby soon] or a detriment to your education.

There's pain and discomfort. Back pain, boob pain, stomach pain, ankle swelling, fatigue.

Increased risk of diabetes. Tell anyone with the disease that it's only minor, and they'll probably hit you.

there's Preterm Delivery, Preeclampsia and Abnormal Uterine Bleeding to worry about. Oh, and some are fatal. [see: not minor]

There's some super fun hypertension risks. Minor too?

Lest we forget the Uterine, Placental and Cervical Complications that a person risks for a child they don't want.

And oh yeah...giving birth hurts.

Call it minor if you want..but I think every medical journal and sane mother will tell you nine months of carrying a sack of potatoes around in your tummy is a little more than minor...thankyou very much.

I'm not a feminist, just to clarify.

But if you think that weighing up the pros and cons of bringing an unwanted child into the world, with the hope of either giving it an uncertain future with adoption, or a future with parents who didn't want it/can't afford it/resent it is irresponsible, then I honestly don't know what you can deem a responsible action.

Sorry. that was long. I accept no responsibility if your eyes bleed.

Does life of zygote > life of mother to you, perchance?

really? elaborate please?- I didn't know that. [or is that just opinion based?] O.o