I recently learnt gradients to non-algebraic functions and now realising some are available on the formula sheet.

Anyway, so if I know the gradient is

F’(x)=6sec(2x)tan(2x) and stationary point being f’(x)=0

Is there a shortcut to find the value of x? I have tried to use the double angle identities with no fruition as I’m left with both sin and cos still in the function but I might be over looking something.

P.S: how do you upload photos now? I don’t see an option on the phone.

Anyway, so if I know the gradient is

F’(x)=6sec(2x)tan(2x) and stationary point being f’(x)=0

Is there a shortcut to find the value of x? I have tried to use the double angle identities with no fruition as I’m left with both sin and cos still in the function but I might be over looking something.

P.S: how do you upload photos now? I don’t see an option on the phone.

(edited 11 months ago)

Original post by KingRich

I recently learnt gradients to non-algebraic functions and now realising some are available on the formula sheet.

Anyway, so if I know the gradient is

F’(x)=6sec(2x)tan(2x) and stationary point being f’(x)=0

Is there a shortcut to find the value of x? I have tried to use the double angle identities with no fruition as I’m left with both sin and cos still in the function but I might be over looking something.

Anyway, so if I know the gradient is

F’(x)=6sec(2x)tan(2x) and stationary point being f’(x)=0

Is there a shortcut to find the value of x? I have tried to use the double angle identities with no fruition as I’m left with both sin and cos still in the function but I might be over looking something.

The gradient should be 2sec(2x)tan(2x). Not important for stationary points as its when its = 0 but ... So just think about factors so when sec(2x) or tan(2x) are zero as their product must be zero.

If unsure, a sketch of sec(2x) might be helpful for thinking about it.

No option for uploading photos at the moment after the recent "upgrade". Youd need to upload elsewhere and link with the picture icon/button.

(edited 11 months ago)

Original post by mqb2766

The gradient should be 2sec(2x)tan(2x). Not important for stationary points as its when its = 0 but ... So just think about factors so when sec(2x) or tan(2x) are zero as their product must be zero.

If unsure, a sketch of sec(2x) might be helpful for thinking about it.

No option for uploading photos at the moment after the recent "upgrade". Youd need to upload elsewhere and link with the picture icon/button.

If unsure, a sketch of sec(2x) might be helpful for thinking about it.

No option for uploading photos at the moment after the recent "upgrade". Youd need to upload elsewhere and link with the picture icon/button.

Apologise, I missed the 3 from the original function.

Well that sucks about the photo issue.

ah, so without recalling the shape of the sec(x) graph, it’s sorta impossible to answer.

Original post by KingRich

Apologise, I missed the 3 from the original function.

Well that sucks about the photo issue.

ah, so without recalling the shape of the sec(x) graph, it’s sorta impossible to answer.

Well that sucks about the photo issue.

ah, so without recalling the shape of the sec(x) graph, it’s sorta impossible to answer.

If it was 3sec(2x) then the derivative is correct. To find the stationary points you could note sec=1/cos so this corresponds to

sec(2x)tan(2x) = sin(2x)/cos^2(2x) = 0

and you can argue about either expression being zero to get the stationary points. However, you should be able to sketch sec, even if you have to use the 1/cos definition

Original post by mqb2766

If it was 3sec(2x) then the derivative is correct. To find the stationary points you could note sec=1/cos so this corresponds to

sec(2x)tan(2x) = sin(2x)/cos^2(2x) = 0

and you can argue about either expression being zero to get the stationary points. However, you should be able to sketch sec, even if you have to use the 1/cos definition

sec(2x)tan(2x) = sin(2x)/cos^2(2x) = 0

and you can argue about either expression being zero to get the stationary points. However, you should be able to sketch sec, even if you have to use the 1/cos definition

Let’s say I could recalled sec x, then sec(2x)=0 would be invalid as it doesn’t cross the x-axis..

Tan(x)= x+π

Tan(2x) would suggest a stretch in x… okay, so if 0<x<π

Then new range would be 0<x<2π

Am I on the right path?

Original post by KingRich

Let’s say I could recalled sec x, then sec(2x)=0 would be invalid as it doesn’t cross the x-axis..

Tan(x)= x+π

Tan(2x) would suggest a stretch in x… okay, so if 0<x<π

Then new range would be 0<x<2π

Am I on the right path?

Tan(x)= x+π

Tan(2x) would suggest a stretch in x… okay, so if 0<x<π

Then new range would be 0<x<2π

Am I on the right path?

Agree sec is <=-1 or >=1 so goes nowhere near the x-axis and, from a sketch/definition, the points where it has stationary points must correspond to stationary points of cos.

But youre sort of "right" in that the stationary points of sec must correspond to where tan is zero.

tan(x) = 0

when x = k*pi, where k is an integer. So 0,pi,-pi,2pi,-2pi,... Then just adapt when the argument is 2x.

You could argue from the second epxression that its when sin(2x)=0 as well as obv the two answers must be the same.

So, the of chance I can recall sec 2x, I can take the long path using identities and consider that sin x = x+π

Hence, x=0,π and 2π

So,

2x=0

2x=π

2x= 2π

So, x=2/π can be the only permissible x for the one point it’s looking for.

Then inputting that into the original equation tells us y=-3

Hence, x=0,π and 2π

So,

2x=0

2x=π

2x= 2π

So, x=2/π can be the only permissible x for the one point it’s looking for.

Then inputting that into the original equation tells us y=-3

Original post by KingRich

So, the of chance I can recall sec 2x, I can take the long path using identities and consider that sin x = x+π

Hence, x=0,π and 2π

So,

2x=0

2x=π

2x= 2π

So, x=2/π can be the only permissible x for the one point it’s looking for.

Then inputting that into the original equation tells us y=-3

Hence, x=0,π and 2π

So,

2x=0

2x=π

2x= 2π

So, x=2/π can be the only permissible x for the one point it’s looking for.

Then inputting that into the original equation tells us y=-3

Not sure whether its typos or genuine mistakes but writing

sin(x) = x + pi

makes no sense in this context, and similarly for the previous post. The solutions correspond to where sin or tan is zero, so

sin(2x) = 0

corresponds to

2x = k*pi

where k is an integer. Dividing by 2 gives

x = k*pi/2

and depending on the domain given in the question (not posted) its includes 0,+/-pi/2,+/-pi, ... The way youve written it up is somewhere between confusing and wrong (2/pi?)?

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