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American looking at UK universities

Greetings,

I'm a Mexican-American currently in my final year of undergrad at a public university in Illinois. I'll be getting my bachelor's in political science next May. I've decided to continue my education and pursue my masters in International Relations, or something similar.

In addition to looking at schools in the US, I'm also looking at several schools across the pond. Right now Aberystwyth, Kings College London, Royal Holloway, Edinburgh, St. Andrews and Nottingham are on my list.

My stats aren't very impressive. I'll likely only graduate with about a 3.0 GPA, which I think is the equivalent of a 2:2? This is due to my not taking school very seriously early on and dropping out, then returning after three years. I have gotten much better grades since going back to school, however.

I know most of the International Relations programs at these universities require a 2:1, however I have spoken with someone at Edinburgh who says I might still be competitive because I'm a more mature applicant (29 years old) with some relevant work experience (four years in the US military and three years in state government), plus my grades have improved over the years.

I guess I'm wondering what my chances might be of getting into any of these programs? At first studying in the UK was just a thought but now it's really growing on me. Are there any other schools I might be more suited to apply to? Any advice on how I can make myself more competitive? Thanks in advance and apologies for any ignorance on my part in regards to the UK or its educational system over there, as I've never been there and am just now reading about it.
Reply 1
This may help you. I assume the course you want is International Relations (MA)? These are the guys to email

http://www.ed.ac.uk/studying/international/country/north-america/usa/introduction
Reply 2
Yes, that is the course. I actually emailed them a few days ago, and Scott McQuarrie was extremely helpful in providing me with information and answers. I'm just sort of also looking for opinions and advice from people on here as well. But thank you! I appreciate the reply.
Reply 3
I think due to your professional/educational background, you may contact programme managers first and enquire about academic entry requirements. They may cut you some slack. It is a good list. Aberystwyth, Kings, Edinburgh, St. Andrews are popular programmes with plenty applicants. Royal Holloway and Nottingham are more doable and can be considered as target schools.

Bristol and Warwick are also well regarded IR UK programmes.
Reply 4
Tcannon, thank you. I hadn't thought about that before. I hadn't previously heard of Bristol's IR program but I'll take a look at them as well. I've had Warwick on/off my list at times as I'm trying to narrow down my UK list to 5-6 schools or so.

Are there any other schools I might look at as "target schools" that could be a bit easier to get into?
Reply 5
Might also want to see if the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) has an IR programme - they might be a decent target school.

If you are interested in maybe conflict/war studies, you might want to also check out Essex, Sussex, and Manchester; for international development, see the University of East Anglia.
Reply 6
Original post by DeMoomin
Might also want to see if the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) has an IR programme - they might be a decent target school.

If you are interested in maybe conflict/war studies, you might want to also check out Essex, Sussex, and Manchester; for international development, see the University of East Anglia.


I have thought about going the conflict/security/war studies route of IR. I believe Kings College London is strong in that department, I'll also take a look at the universities you suggested. Thank you for the suggestion.
Reply 7
Within IR, some unis have particular centre of excellence and have cluster of researchers in following areas:

For War Studies, King's is best suited in IR and has good contacts with MoDefence. Some officers teach IR.
Terrorism and Russian Studies: St Andrews
Development and Conflict studies: Sussex
Development and Political Economy in Africa/Asia: SOAS
Sub area in Population and Migration: Manchester

Further target schools with decent IR programmes and US student recruitment: Sussex actively recruits US students and even have scholarships reserved. alumni give good student satisfaction for teaching and course. it would be wise to spread your 6 applications in reach and target. Good luck
Reply 8
I met a UK guy with similar profile like yours (ex military ROTC) and he completed International Defence and Security MSc at Cranfield Uni after leaving the Army. It is less known abroad as Cranfield specialises in postgrad studies only. But it has a strong affiliation with the military and has a strong department, it is a good target school.
Original post by Salukimatic
Greetings,

I'm a Mexican-American currently in my final year of undergrad at a public university in Illinois. I'll be getting my bachelor's in political science next May. I've decided to continue my education and pursue my masters in International Relations, or something similar.

In addition to looking at schools in the US, I'm also looking at several schools across the pond. Right now Aberystwyth, Kings College London, Royal Holloway, Edinburgh, St. Andrews and Nottingham are on my list.

My stats aren't very impressive. I'll likely only graduate with about a 3.0 GPA, which I think is the equivalent of a 2:2? This is due to my not taking school very seriously early on and dropping out, then returning after three years. I have gotten much better grades since going back to school, however.

I know most of the International Relations programs at these universities require a 2:1, however I have spoken with someone at Edinburgh who says I might still be competitive because I'm a more mature applicant (29 years old) with some relevant work experience (four years in the US military and three years in state government), plus my grades have improved over the years.

I guess I'm wondering what my chances might be of getting into any of these programs? At first studying in the UK was just a thought but now it's really growing on me. Are there any other schools I might be more suited to apply to? Any advice on how I can make myself more competitive? Thanks in advance and apologies for any ignorance on my part in regards to the UK or its educational system over there, as I've never been there and am just now reading about it.


I can't advise on the course as I study other disciplines, but I go to Aberystwyth University and Interpol is one of the top 2/3 if not THE most subscribed course in our university. Also, the other universities you have mentioned; Aberystwyth is a tiny town on the West coast of Wales, whereas all of the others you have mentioned are either in cities or close to towns/cities. The nearest major town to us is Shrewsbury which is 75 miles (120km) away. I'm assuming you're currently studying in Chicago (I am geographically aware of a lot of places in the states :P) ? If so, it will definitely be a bit of a culture shock for you. Aberystwyth is also bilingual too and Welsh is the predominant language, but EVERYBODY can speak English as English is the 1st language of the UK followed by Welsh as 2nd language.
Reply 10
Original post by Tcannon
Within IR, some unis have particular centre of excellence and have cluster of researchers in following areas:

For War Studies, King's is best suited in IR and has good contacts with MoDefence. Some officers teach IR.
Terrorism and Russian Studies: St Andrews
Development and Conflict studies: Sussex
Development and Political Economy in Africa/Asia: SOAS
Sub area in Population and Migration: Manchester

Further target schools with decent IR programmes and US student recruitment: Sussex actively recruits US students and even have scholarships reserved. alumni give good student satisfaction for teaching and course. it would be wise to spread your 6 applications in reach and target. Good luck


Thanks once again for the information. This is really great, I've had a hard time finding which universities are better known for what discipline.
Reply 11
Original post by gagaslilmonsteruk
I can't advise on the course as I study other disciplines, but I go to Aberystwyth University and Interpol is one of the top 2/3 if not THE most subscribed course in our university. Also, the other universities you have mentioned; Aberystwyth is a tiny town on the West coast of Wales, whereas all of the others you have mentioned are either in cities or close to towns/cities. The nearest major town to us is Shrewsbury which is 75 miles (120km) away. I'm assuming you're currently studying in Chicago (I am geographically aware of a lot of places in the states :P) ? If so, it will definitely be a bit of a culture shock for you. Aberystwyth is also bilingual too and Welsh is the predominant language, but EVERYBODY can speak English as English is the 1st language of the UK followed by Welsh as 2nd language.


I'm pretty adaptable when it comes to living in different places. I grew up near Chicago but I'm actually currently studying in a small town six hours south of there. I've moved around quite a bit since graduating high school and have lived both in urban and rural settings. I spent three years in Palmer, Alaska, a town of about 7,000 people, and absolutely loved it except for the cold winters, so I wouldn't mind Aberystwyth being a tiny town. I also spent three years in Japan, so while I'm sure I will experience culture-shock at first, I also know I can overcome it.

That being said, of course I have some worries. I worry about how welcoming people will be there, whether they'll have preconceived notions about me being the stereotypical loud, ignorant American, or if I can adjust to how courses (modules?) are taught over there, etc. But I'm not concerned about things like night life, being in an urban setting or things of that nature. And from what I've read about Aber's Interpol department, it would be amazing if I got accepted there.
Original post by Salukimatic
I'm pretty adaptable when it comes to living in different places. I grew up near Chicago but I'm actually currently studying in a small town six hours south of there. I've moved around quite a bit since graduating high school and have lived both in urban and rural settings. I spent three years in Palmer, Alaska, a town of about 7,000 people, and absolutely loved it except for the cold winters, so I wouldn't mind Aberystwyth being a tiny town. I also spent three years in Japan, so while I'm sure I will experience culture-shock at first, I also know I can overcome it.

That being said, of course I have some worries. I worry about how welcoming people will be there, whether they'll have preconceived notions about me being the stereotypical loud, ignorant American, or if I can adjust to how courses (modules?) are taught over there, etc. But I'm not concerned about things like night life, being in an urban setting or things of that nature. And from what I've read about Aber's Interpol department, it would be amazing if I got accepted there.


Aber is about 20,000 people in term time and about 8-10,000 people during the summer, so as you can tell the local economy pretty much depends upon the students. As for stereotypes, it won't be a problem. I don't think I've met any Americans, but I've certainly met plenty of people of other nationalities from around the world and none of them have any problems to my knowledge, in fact as a student community everyone blends in quite well. Modules, it depends on the department and the module in question and of course postgrad is probably a different ball game to undergrad courses.
Reply 13
I would reccomend Sussex for the University but I'm afraid that I don't know what the IR masters course here is like specifically - I have a friend that recently graduated with a Masters in European Politics though and she was really happy with the teaching, I'm assuming that the two courses are probably quite similar?

* Regarding what you said about people being welcoming - obviously individuals vary but I don't think you would have a problem settling in here, I've met plenty of Americans and the only ones I haven't liked were in America at the time :tongue:
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Reply 14
Original post by Josh93
I would reccomend Sussex for the University but I'm afraid that I don't know what the IR masters course here is like specifically - I have a friend that recently graduated with a Masters in European Politics though and she was really happy with the teaching, I'm assuming that the two courses are probably quite similar?

* Regarding what you said about people being welcoming - obviously individuals vary but I don't think you would have a problem settling in here, I've met plenty of Americans and the only ones I haven't liked were in America at the time :tongue:


Thanks, I will take a look a Sussex as well! Yes, International Relations and European Politics would both fall under the same Political Science umbrella, I suppose.
Reply 15
Original post by Salukimatic
Thanks, I will take a look a Sussex as well! Yes, International Relations and European Politics would both fall under the same Political Science umbrella, I suppose.


Just checked it out and I can re-affirm that Sussex is working looking at :P
Ranked 3rd in the UK for IR with 95% of research internationally accredited (more than any other IR uni department in the country apparently) and they have 5 different taught MA/Msc courses to choose from :biggrin: There's a specific course for international security/conflict if you're interested in that (I'm guessing from the military background?) too.
Reply 16
Original post by Josh93
Just checked it out and I can re-affirm that Sussex is working looking at :P
Ranked 3rd in the UK for IR with 95% of research internationally accredited (more than any other IR uni department in the country apparently) and they have 5 different taught MA/Msc courses to choose from :biggrin: There's a specific course for international security/conflict if you're interested in that (I'm guessing from the military background?) too.


Wow. Those are some impressive stats. I wonder how many universities I should ultimately narrow it down to? I was thinking 5 American unis and 5 UK unis?
Reply 17
Original post by Salukimatic
Wow. Those are some impressive stats. I wonder how many universities I should ultimately narrow it down to? I was thinking 5 American unis and 5 UK unis?


That sounds like a manageable number, I wouldn't go much higher than that. Also, I'm not sure about Masters applications but UCAS usually only allows you to apply for a maximum of 5 undergraduate courses per year.
Reply 18
I think I've read with Masters programs, you apply directly to the universities as opposed to through UCAS, so not sure if there is a limit. As an American, however, I can tell you I absolutely love with the fact that there are no application fees when applying to universities over there!
Reply 19
You apply to as many unis as you want at postgrad level and yes directly to each. Some unis do have application fees though, not sure if any of the ones in your list do.

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