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Variable Mass Problem

Variable Mass Problem ...
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I have not even written the solution yet.
Original post by TeeEm
Variable Mass Problem ...
Mechanics Variable Mass.jpg
Only minutes old ...
I have not even written the solution yet.


I get 1/k * ln 2 but I haven't checked just yet.
Reply 2
Original post by A Slice of Pi
I get 1/k * ln 2 but I haven't checked just yet.


one of the two answers is
Original post by TeeEm
one of the two answers is


Didn't see the last bit aha, I'll work it out now
Edit: I get x=gk2(ln20.5)x = \frac{g}{k^2}(\ln 2 - 0.5)
(edited 8 years ago)
Reply 4
Original post by A Slice of Pi
I get 1/k * ln 2 but I haven't checked just yet.


Bloody hell, how are you so good at mechanics?!
Original post by Zacken
Bloody hell, how are you so good at mechanics?!


I was thinking the same thing..
Original post by TeeEm
one of the two answers is


I get 1kln2\frac{1}{k}\ln 2 as well, but I don't see where another answer is going to come from, so maybe I've just fluked it. I derived the eqns of motion from scratch though, so perhaps I screwed up. Roughly, for the raindrop, assuming infinitesimal changes of mass and velocity dm,dvdm, dv over time dtdt:

dI=pfpi=Fdt(m+dm)(v+dv)mv=mgdtmdvdt+vdmdt=mgdI = p_f-p_i=F dt \Rightarrow \\ \\ (m+dm)(v+dv)-mv = mg dt \Rightarrow m\frac{dv}{dt}+v\frac{dm}{dt}=mg

But m(t)=Mektmdvdt+kvm=mgdvdt+kv=gm(t) = Me^{kt} \Rightarrow m\frac{dv}{dt}+kvm=mg \Rightarrow \frac{dv}{dt}+kv=g

Thereafter it's just integration and initial conditions so I'm not sure what I've missed.
Reply 7
Original post by atsruser
I get 1kln2\frac{1}{k}\ln 2 as well, but I don't see where another answer is going to come from, so maybe I've just fluked it. I derived the eqns of motion from scratch though, so perhaps I screwed up. Roughly, for the raindrop, assuming infinitesimal changes of mass and velocity dm,dvdm, dv over time dtdt:

dI=pfpi=Fdt(m+dm)(v+dv)mv=mgdtmdvdt+vdmdt=mgdI = p_f-p_i=F dt \Rightarrow \\ \\ (m+dm)(v+dv)-mv = mg dt \Rightarrow m\frac{dv}{dt}+v\frac{dm}{dt}=mg

But m(t)=Mektmdvdt+kvm=mgdvdt+kv=gm(t) = Me^{kt} \Rightarrow m\frac{dv}{dt}+kvm=mg \Rightarrow \frac{dv}{dt}+kv=g

Thereafter it's just integration and initial conditions so I'm not sure what I've missed.


clearly too tired
:smile:
the same equation
2 solutions

one as
a = dv/dt
the other
a = v dv/dx
Original post by TeeEm
clearly too tired
:smile:
the same equation
2 solutions

one as
a = dv/dt
the other
a = v dv/dx


OK, perhaps I'm being really dense but I have no idea what you are saying here. We can only get one time from that equation, AFAICS.

[edit: eff it. There's another question - sorry didn't see it]
Reply 9
Original post by atsruser
OK, perhaps I'm being really dense but I have no idea what you are saying here. We can only get one time from that equation, AFAICS.


the equation of motion should be after simplification

dv/dt = g - kv

solving this as it is gives you your answer.

you can also solve the same ODE as

v dv/dx = g - kv

to get v as a function of x
Reply 10
Original post by A Slice of Pi
Didn't see the last bit aha, I'll work it out now
Edit: I get x=gk2(ln20.5)x = \frac{g}{k^2}(\ln 2 - 0.5)


yes that is the other solution
Original post by TeeEm
the equation of motion should be after simplification

dv/dt = g - kv

solving this as it is gives you your answer.

you can also solve the same ODE as

v dv/dx = g - kv

to get v as a function of x


Yes - see my edited answer above. You hid the second question too well. This is a pretty standard variable mass question though. Got any harder ones?
Reply 12
Original post by Zacken
Bloody hell, how are you so good at mechanics?!


Original post by Student403
I was thinking the same thing..


he is the governor !!!
Reply 13
Original post by atsruser
Yes - see my edited answer above. You hid the second question too well. This is a pretty standard variable mass question though. Got any harder ones?


Yes very standard ... good practice for the students here

I have written 3 more, 2 slightly harder, the other very hard.

I have written the solutions but they need typing

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