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Why do women want gender equality in the workplace, but not in dating?

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Reply 140
Original post by snowman77
Since when have you ever seen or heard of a woman proposing? (yes, at some point in history it's probably happened, so don't give me a couple of anecdotal examples - in reality, about 0.00001% of women will propose to the man, which is effectively nothing)

Holding open doors - yes this is still expected by many women also.
Source of your statistics?

So considering much of the nation who are together long term aren't married and most of those that are have cohabited before making this choice, I would say that the decision is more joint evolution than a down on one knee proposal nowadays. As to holding doors, this is just common courtesy. Anyone making a big fuss of holding a door open for a girl is a tosser.
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Reply 141
Original post by snowman77
If a man must pay for a first date, then you are effectively saying "my time is more valuable than yours, therefore you must pay me to be here". You know how arrogant that looks?

I'm fine with paying. As long as you give me sex after the date. If you demand I pay, I demand sex. That's fair, isn't it?

If it's not fair, we can split the bill. Equality isn't a one way street. And please don't say tradition again, that's another way of saying "I want equality only in areas it suits me".


I expect the only time you get sex is when you pay for it.
Original post by Maker
I expect the only time you get sex is when you pay for it.
Seems like you're projecting your own experience in life onto me.
Reply 143
Original post by snowman77
Seems like you're projecting your own experience in life onto me.


I am not the one posting whiny BS on TSR and acting like a girly man. Why don't you grow a pair?
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Original post by Maker
I am not the one posting whiny BS on TSR and acting like a girly man. Why don't you grow a pair?
It's an argument about equality. Why do women demand equality between men in one area, but not in another area? A legitimate question, which shows the hypocrisy of feminism. Perhaps you could respond to this and give a decent argument?

I tend to find that people who insult people are just projecting their own experience onto others. In other words, you can't get sex without paying for it, so you get angry about that towards other people.
Original post by snowman77
It's an argument about equality. Why do women demand equality between men in one area, but not in another area? A legitimate question, which shows the hypocrisy of feminism. Perhaps you could respond to this and give a decent argument?

I tend to find that people who insult people are just projecting their own experience onto others. In other words, you can't get sex without paying for it, so you get angry about that towards other people.


Because not all women want the same thing, because feminists only make up only 7% of people in Britain. Things contradict because you’re taking what one woman wants and adding it to what another woman wants like they all have the same thoughts and values.
Original post by Wired_1800
True, there is a difference between primal needs and other needs.

I think one major issue with some women is they dont know what they really want and they listen to their friends too much. Yes, some men do the same but I think some women take their friend’s validation over their own.

A woman can meet a nice lad and refuse to do anything with him. Once another woman gets interested, they want the lad back. I have seen this happen a number of times.


Yes. I have been that lad on a number of occasions and the only thing I can think of to explain it is their need to perhaps keep a spare male to mate with should the one their with be eaten by a Saber Tooth Tiger. But I think today's women knows her feelings can change at the drop of a hat for no apparent reason so having a man in reserve brings them some comfort.

To change the subject. It's been said that, "Men fall in love but women choose a mate".
To offer a bit of supporting evidence I will say that a man can be walking down the street and see a women walking on the opposite side and at 200yrds. get a look at her face and fall crazy in love with her. Now a woman can see an attractive man in the same situation and maybe go a little ga-ga over him but they don't want to start a family with him on the spot. Comments?
Original post by Maker
I expect the only time you get sex is when you pay for it.


You never have a quid pro quo on someone's body.
Original post by cat_mac
Because not all women want the same thing, because feminists only make up only 7% of people in Britain. Things contradict because you’re taking what one woman wants and adding it to what another woman wants like they all have the same thoughts and values.


Yeah. That's called collectivism. You know, Stalin.
Original post by snowman77
If a man must pay for a first date, then you are effectively saying "my time is more valuable than yours, therefore you must pay me to be here". You know how arrogant that looks?

I'm fine with paying. As long as you give me sex after the date. If you demand I pay, I demand sex. That's fair, isn't it?

If it's not fair, we can split the bill. Equality isn't a one way street. And please don't say tradition again, that's another way of saying "I want equality only in areas it suits me".


I think if you pay, it shows one of two things, or in some cases both:
You have a massive wallet
You care about the relationship

Seriously, this is menial shite. You can pay.
Original post by Zarek
Source of your statistics?

So considering much of the nation who are together long term aren't married and most of those that are have cohabited before making this choice, I would say that the decision is more joint evolution than a down on one knee proposal nowadays. As to holding doors, this is just common courtesy. Anyone making a big fuss of holding a door open for a girl is a tosser.


Isn't there, like, 1 day in the year when a gal can propose to a guy?
Original post by M99x
Personally I believe that’s just one view, just because society pressures us into living up to the “Stereotypes”. Not ALL women believe in the same values in which you’re suggesting... To suggest that males are more dominant and are in control of a relationship is society living up to a stereotype which is not relevant in today’s modern society. As a women I certainly do not having any expectations of a man when in a relationship and for equality to be achieved we should expect the same from each male and female. However discussing equal pay and relationships are far from each other.. unequal pay is something which isn’t personal to the person but to their gender.. being in a relationship focused on male and female is specific to the person themselves as not all women and men are the same.
We are living in 2018 older generations have been brought up with these out dates views.. we are living in a critical time period which has allowed more opportunities for equality for both Men and Women. Generalising Women and Men into one category isn’t going to help tackle the issue of equality.


Society functions on the level of the individual.
Original post by Unkilled
Isn't there, like, 1 day in the year when a gal can propose to a guy?


What about the other 364 days?
Original post by Tiger Rag
What about the other 364 days?


I know, I was just asking a question. Like, I don't really care.
Reply 154
Original post by Unkilled
Isn't there, like, 1 day in the year when a gal can propose to a guy?

Feb 29th apparently. My sister tried this, didn't work :smile:
Original post by yankeedog1953
Yes. I have been that lad on a number of occasions and the only thing I can think of to explain it is their need to perhaps keep a spare male to mate with should the one their with be eaten by a Saber Tooth Tiger. But I think today's women knows her feelings can change at the drop of a hat for no apparent reason so having a man in reserve brings them some comfort.

To change the subject. It's been said that, "Men fall in love but women choose a mate".
To offer a bit of supporting evidence I will say that a man can be walking down the street and see a women walking on the opposite side and at 200yrds. get a look at her face and fall crazy in love with her. Now a woman can see an attractive man in the same situation and maybe go a little ga-ga over him but they don't want to start a family with him on the spot. Comments?


This seems a bit wild, but it may be true that women are more strategic when it comes to finding a partner. I don't think having a man on the reserve is a good thing because this create an endless cycle for both people.

In addition, i think there is massive double standard when it comes to women and dating, but at the moment they control the rules, so we just accept and try to manage the situation.

For example, a woman can quite comfortably go on a date with a dude and expect him to pay for every thing, if the tables are turned, she would label the guy cheap.
Original post by Unkilled
I think if you pay, it shows one of two things, or in some cases both:
You have a massive wallet
You care about the relationship

Seriously, this is menial shite. You can pay.
She can also pay, can't she? Why does the man have to pay?

By your logic, if she's not paying then she doesn't care about the relationship.

It was fine 50-100 years ago, because even though the man paid, the woman made up for it in other ways. Gender roles were clearly defined. These days, women are so lazy (especially young women) that they still expect the man to do all the manly duties like ask her out and pay for a date, but at the same time shirk any of the typical female responsibilities.

I hear in cultures like Latino and Asian, gender roles are still widely prevalent. The man is expected to be a man, and the woman is expected to be a woman. There is no confusion. The issue has come in Western society, where women are acting more and more like men, not wanting the negative responsibilities associated with being a woman, but still complaining that there "aren't any real men" anymore. It's pathetic.
What a judgemental bunch of "men" you are. We don't all expect our dates to pay.
Original post by Wired_1800
This seems a bit wild, but it may be true that women are more strategic when it comes to finding a partner. I don't think having a man on the reserve is a good thing because this create an endless cycle for both people.

In addition, i think there is massive double standard when it comes to women and dating, but at the moment they control the rules, so we just accept and try to manage the situation.

For example, a woman can quite comfortably go on a date with a dude and expect him to pay for every thing, if the tables are turned, she would label the guy cheap.
They control the rules for 2 reasons - lower sex drive and popular culture.

Male sex drive is higher than female sex drive. There have been numerous studies to prove this - women think about sex less, have fewer sexual fantasies, they masturbate far less, they visit prostitutes/escorts far less, they want casual sex far less.

In popular culture and media, men are consistently portrayed as the ones who chase the woman. Young girls grow up with this and most of them are too stupid not to be brainwashed by it.
I'm sorry to read that so many of you have been on dates with controllig women with such expectations and clearly there is some emotional abuse going on if these are the relatiobships you are in. My personal experiences and those around me have been completely different.

We have talked this with my friends and we always offer to pay for our share. And quite often the guy expects us to pay our own drinks. In some cases the guy pays fro movie tickets and the woman for the popcorn. I've been on a date where the guy insisted on paying even with me offering. Yes, I will accept it since it's rude to keep the argument going.

As for the proposal. I'm a maid of honour in my friends wedding so I've been on wedding sites that talk about proposals. In this day and age most of the time the proposal is a mutual discussion and then going out to buy a ring together. I noticed a trend in couples that the man insists on suprise proposal because they feel like it is their contribution towards the wedding (sometimes they want to plan for years to keep the suprise). My problem with this is that then the guy has the power to decide on our mutual future and with that logic then men wouldn't have to participate to wedding planning. Don't know how common it is but from the wedding forum it didn't seem too rare.

Treat with meals and gifts? In every relationship I've ever withnesses I've noticed that it's "I'll pay this one, you pay next". And for the coat...does that happen outside the movies? That being said. Yes, females offers their hat and gloves to their frozen partners.

Sex centered around man pleasing a woman? Ehm...what? Yes it is talked about now more since it is still not the norm. Thankfully it's becoming more equal and sex is about pleasing each other.

Who wants a man to be dominant and not show emotions? I've never heared such a thing. On the contrary I hear about how women wish guys wold show more emotions. As for dominance. Studies show that women make most of the decisions in marriage.

To play devils advocate for the household chores I'm going to doa generalization. Women are expected to contribute equally financially and do majority of housework, how is that fair? Men are no longer the breadwinners of families and therefore the tasks should be shared. (Again generalization) I've noticed that quite often when men do somehting arounf the house they are "helping" instead of doing their share and when men spend time with their children they are "babysitting" instead of parenting.

That being said. Yes there are women like in OP describes and there are men who expect things to go like OP descibed. Relationships are about shared power, respect and mutual decision how things are done. Thankfuly in dating you don't have to meet the person again if you don't share the values.

I also feel like the word feminism is so misunderstood and used wrongly.

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