Gender study finds 90% of people are biased against women.

I think it interesting that a significant number of women think this as well.

The notion that people hold ideological beliefs against their self-interest (from certain religious women to poor Trump supporters) is worth looking into but it seems really contested with not much of a consensus except perhaps that many people don't make rational choices.

Currently reading Dennis Chong's Rational Lives: Norms and Values in Politics and Society (2000) where he looks at socialisation and conformity, the development of norms and conventions, the diffusion of ideas, patterns of public opinion formation, habitual versus rational choice, partisan and ideological choice, and the circumstances in which principles/values may prevail over self-interest. He cites a paper on symbolic politics with the following account:

"One possibility is that self-interest is typically overwhelmed by long-held, emotionally powerful predispositions. According to this account, people acquire predispositions (like racial prejudice or nationalism) early in life that shape their political views in adulthood. Interpretation and evaluation of political events are essentially affective responses to salient symbols that resemble the attitude objects to which similar emotional responses were conditioned in earlier life. Whether or not the event has some tangible consequence for the citizen's personal life is irrelevant; the pertinent personal stake is a symbolic one, which triggers long-held, affect-laden, habitual responses."

This makes sense. Basically, indoctrination.

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Continuing on from our discussions in the Men's Rights thread... thoughts?

A third Gender Social Norms Index (GSNI) follows the synthetic
Alkire–Foster methodology (GNI/AF), which implements a version
of the intersection approach (to define the headcount of biased
individuals) coupled with a measure of the intensity of biases (see
Mukhopadhyay, Rivera and Tapia 2019).

Thanks for posting, it'll be interesting to go through the paper itself. If it's like the other UN Human Development Reports then it should be very good.

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/hd_perspectives_gsni.pdf

Men need to either support us or shut up and get out of our way.

I want you to imagine that a guy just said, "Women need to either support us or shut up and get out of our way."

That is exactly how influenced other people are in supporting your point of view with this lesson. And maybe you don't care if your point of view is taken seriously and this is more an expression of emotion with no intention to try to change things. Because this definitely isn't the way you do it.

When men demonstrate agency and self-determination it is accepted as part and parcel of heteronormative masculinity. However, when a woman shows agency by using her capacity to act independently and to make her own free choices she's labelled as emotional and hysterical as you have just demonstrated in your post.

Historically, the patriarchal structures (such as social class, religion, ethnicity, cultural customs, hierarchy etc.) are the same ones that determine or limit the feminist agency and our'capacity to make decisions for ourselves. In this way, ordinary and everyday men like yourself are complicit in female oppression when you remain silent and don't call out the patriarchy which has benefited your male ancestors and benefits you even now.

Feminist separatism is a branch of feminism that believes that all women are lesbians and that the only way to defeating the patriarchy is to separate women from men on all levels, in all societies.