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No insults, i answered the questions you had, try answering mine- are you a genuine noob with an interest in these topics or just an attention seeking troll ?

Again, japanese JJ open is a jiu jitsu competition hence the name, where brazilian style and japanese style purples and upwards compete. Stop me if im going too fast for you or using too much difficult terminology.
Are you seriously saying you dont understand the concept that before brazilian JJ even left south america, japanese ju jitsu prationers had their own rules based competions?

I can't be bothered to argue with you but I should point out that Clip is correct in saying that the Japan Open is a BJJ tournament, using IBJJF rules, and the JJFJ is a BJJ federation (hence why Rickson is involved with it). Anyone is welcome to participate, of course, but it is a BJJ tournament. Practitioners often refer to BJJ simply as Jiu-Jitsu, using the older romanization rather than the modern Hepburn "Jujutsu" and often a Portugese pronunciation ("zjhoo-zjitsu") to distinguish it from Japanese Jujutsu, which is precisely why the JJFJ use the spelling Jiu-Jitsu. It's a pretty famous BJJ tournament, comparable to the European Open, and slightly less prestigious than the Pan Ams or the Brazilian National.

The point wasnt semantics, it was that the japan Open was , under competition rules, open to all forms of competetive jiu jitsu styles, not just bjj,

And your right in not bothering to argue, because you only ever end up looking more ignorant about martial arts than at any stage before.

It's open to anyone who wishes to compete under IBJJF rules. Just like any local BJJ tournament is open to anyone wishing to compete under their rules. This isn't in any way unique for a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu tournament and it's certainly no gesture towards Jujutsu. .

I'm not arguing with you because it's pointless; every time your argument falls down you change your position, fall back to an argument that was previously refuted, attempt some kind of circular logic or deny you ever argued for it in the first place. It's pointless.

As for being "ignorant" about martial arts . . . please, tell us more about how Judo is a ground-based system.

And do clarify this point about judo and 'ground martial arts' - you are i think mixing up the point that judo is a hugging-another-man system with the ultimate aim of falling to the ground with him. YOu can of course go back to practicing martial arts on your xbox if you like.

Yeh, well done for just repeating what i already said, and confirming that jiu jisu in traditional forms still exist today, which was the other thing i said. are you going to contribute any point here that hasnt been made already or is that the end, lets hope so.

And do clarify this point about judo and 'ground martial arts' - you are i think mixing up the point that judo is a hugging-another-man system with the ultimate aim of falling to the ground with him. YOu can of course go back to practicing martial arts on your xbox if you like.

YOu can of course go back to practicing martial arts on your xbox if you like.

That's not what you said; you said it was a traditional Jujutsu tournament. And how does my saying that any randomer off the street can compete in it prove that traditional Jiu-Jitsu exists? I made no statements about the existence of traditional Jujutsu schools in Japan (that was clip), although as I understand it traditional Jujutsu schools have been mostly overshadowed by Judo and to a lesser extent Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Catch/Shoot Wrestling.

You said it was ground-based. BJJ is ground-based, Judo is based around throwing.

XBox again? *Yawn*

Firstly that's not even true, given that there are many moves you can do which don't end up with the attacker on the ground and secondly that's not what you said the first time. You can admit you had (or probably have) no idea what you were talking about or you can keep digging yourself into a hole.

No youre right, there is also the hug the other guy for 10 minutes move till he gets tired, which einheri demonstrated in some world judo championship youtube clip he dug out.

this is all still consistent with the points i had already made about judo, so i still dont know what your gripe is

That was BJJ IIRC.

no, he told me the 20 stone guy was a judo world champion.
he hugged and pulled on the other guys gi for a few minutes than had to sit down to get his breath back. It was impressive stuff

and befre you try and throw the curve ball that maeda was a 'judo practioner' and won most of his fights on the ground - but as has already been talked about, he was trained in 'judo' by kano, or kano ju jitsu which was far more like proper ju jitsu than any judo today you have experinced -the gracie brazilian guys do train judo inconjunction with bjj -which is almost ju jtisu in its complete form (without elements ike atemiwaza )

Yeah but it was a BJJ fight, which is typically quite different to a judo fight.

Youre going to have to dig that post out if you are going to suggest that.
'typically' bjj fight will involve one guy taking handles and pulling guard. this clip was two overweight guys leaning on each other till they got tired, whcih is typical of judo players.

Well we'll wait for the person who posted it to say. It was a BJJ fight though, I know, because if it weren't it would have been over very quickly. Two professionals with that size difference fighting would never make a good fight. It'd be impossible for the smaller guy.

Well, in this clip the smaller guy won, becuase the fatter one gased out. You need to work out which way you are going with this argument too.

What argument. There is no argument. You incorrectly said that the video was a judo fight, which it wasn't. You've incorrectly said that judo is a ground-based system. You've incorrectly said that judo is just hugging each other until you both end up on the ground.

There's nothing to argue against.

Why is the non-BJJ person telling the BJJ people all about BJJ?