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Complex Quadratic?

Hey guys, I'm a bit unsure on this question.





I tried to write out the equation with everything in modulus-argument form and manage to find the r (modulus) values however when I try and equate the arguments I'm not sure if I'm doing it right. I think it's the fact that there are both z^2 and z terms involved which is throwing me off. Here's what I've done so far.

iz2+2z=i1iz^{2}+2z=i-1

Mod-Arg form:

i[r(cosθ+isinθ)]2+2[r(cosθ+isinθ)]=2(cos3π4+isin3π4)i[r(cos{\theta}+isin{\theta})]^{2}+2[r(cos{\theta}+isin{\theta})]=\sqrt{2}(cos{\frac{3\pi}{4}}+isin{\frac{3\pi}{4}})

Using De Moivre's Theorem:

ir2(cos2θ+isin2θ)+2r(cosθ+isinθ)=2(cos3π4+isin3π4)ir^{2}(cos{2\theta}+isin{2\theta})+2r(cos{\theta}+isin{\theta})=\sqrt{2}(cos{\frac{3\pi}{4}}+isin{\frac{3\pi}{4}})

Comparing the Moduli:

ir2+2r=2ir^{2}+2r=\sqrt{2}

Equating Real Parts:

r2=0r^{2}=0
r=0r=0

Equating Imaginary Parts:

2r=22r=\sqrt{2}
r=22r=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}--------------------rR,r0r\in\mathbb{R} , r\geq{0}

So we have the two possible moduli values. For the finding the argument values, is it as simple as equating the thetas? So:

2θ+θ=3π42\theta+\theta=\frac{3\pi}{4}
3θ=θ=3π43\theta=\theta=\frac{3\pi}{4}
θ=9π4,13π4\theta=\frac{9\pi}{4}, \frac{13\pi}{4}

Is this right? If so, I know how to do the rest by simply converting my two mod-arg numbers into cartesian form.

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Finishing it off:

z=22cos9π4+22sin9π4iz=\frac{\sqrt2}{2}cos{\frac{9\pi}{4}}+\frac{\sqrt2}{2}sin{\frac{9\pi}{4}}i

and

z=22cos13π4+22sin13π4iz=\frac{\sqrt2}{2}cos{\frac{13\pi}{4}}+\frac{\sqrt2}{2}sin{\frac{13\pi}{4}}i

so

z1=12+12iz_1=\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{2}i
z2=1212iz_2=-\frac{1}{2}-\frac{1}{2}i

I'm not getting the same answers using the quadratic formula or by subbing expanding out z terms. Can someone confirm that my answer is correct?
(edited 10 years ago)
Reply 1
Instead of doing that in the future, try substituting in (a+bi) for z, it might make the equation much more easier because you'll end up having two simultaneous equations in real and imaginary; and not have to go into trig :tongue:

I suppose since you've already done it like that, I'd say you've still got the correct answer anyhow.
Reply 2
Original post by nugiboy
Hey guys, I'm a bit unsure on this question.





I tried to write out the equation with everything in modulus-argument form and manage to find the r (modulus) values however when I try and equate the arguments I'm not sure if I'm doing it right. I think it's the fact that there are both z^2 and z terms involved which is throwing me off. Here's what I've done so far.

iz2+2z=i1iz^{2}+2z=i-1

Mod-Arg form:

i[r(cosθ+isinθ)]2+2[r(cosθ+isinθ)]=2(cos3π4+isin3π4)i[r(cos{\theta}+isin{\theta})]^{2}+2[r(cos{\theta}+isin{\theta})]=\sqrt{2}(cos{\frac{3\pi}{4}}+isin{\frac{3\pi}{4}})

Using De Moivre's Theorem:

ir2(cos2θ+isin2θ)+2r(cosθ+isinθ)=2(cos3π4+isin3π4)ir^{2}(cos{2\theta}+isin{2\theta})+2r(cos{\theta}+isin{\theta})=\sqrt{2}(cos{\frac{3\pi}{4}}+isin{\frac{3\pi}{4}})

Comparing the Moduli:

ir2+2r=2ir^{2}+2r=\sqrt{2}

Equating Real Parts:

r2=0r^{2}=0
r=0r=0

Equating Imaginary Parts:

2r=22r=\sqrt{2}
r=±22r=\frac{\pm\sqrt{2}}{2}

So we have the two possible moduli values. For the finding the argument values, is it as simple as equating the thetas? So:

2θ+θ=3π42\theta+\theta=\frac{3\pi}{4}
3θ=θ=3π43\theta=\theta=\frac{3\pi}{4}
θ=9π4,13π4\theta=\frac{9\pi}{4}, \frac{13\pi}{4}

Is this right? If so, I know how to do the rest by simply converting my two mod-arg numbers into cartesian form.


You can just use the quadratic formula. It comes out nice and easy.
Reply 3
I think I'm making this harder than it actually is but I'm still coming to different answers using both of your methods. Finishing mine:

z=22cos9π4+22sin9π4iz=\frac{\sqrt2}{2}cos{\frac{9\pi}{4}}+\frac{\sqrt2}{2}sin{\frac{9\pi}{4}}i

and

z=22cos13π4+22sin13π4iz=\frac{\sqrt2}{2}cos{\frac{13\pi}{4}}+\frac{\sqrt2}{2}sin{\frac{13\pi}{4}}i

so

z1=12+12iz_1=\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{2}i
z2=1212iz_2=-\frac{1}{2}-\frac{1}{2}i

I'm not getting the same answers using the quadratic formula or by subbing expanding out z terms. Can someone confirm that my answer is correct?
Reply 4
Original post by nugiboy
I think I'm making this harder than it actually is but I'm still coming to different answers using both of your methods. Finishing mine:

z=22cos9π4+22sin9π4iz=\frac{\sqrt2}{2}cos{\frac{9\pi}{4}}+\frac{\sqrt2}{2}sin{\frac{9\pi}{4}}i

and

z=22cos13π4+22sin13π4iz=\frac{\sqrt2}{2}cos{\frac{13\pi}{4}}+\frac{\sqrt2}{2}sin{\frac{13\pi}{4}}i

so

z1=12+12iz_1=\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{2}i
z2=1212iz_2=-\frac{1}{2}-\frac{1}{2}i

I'm not getting the same answers using the quadratic formula or by subbing expanding out z terms. Can someone confirm that my answer is correct?


No, those are not correct. Post your working?
Reply 5
Original post by BabyMaths
No, those are not correct. Post your working?


Oh right, all of the working is now in the OP.

I literally just used my theta values of

θ=9π4,13π4\theta=\frac{9\pi}{4}, \frac{13\pi}{4}

and my r value of

r=22r=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}

to get the two complex roots in mod-arg form. I then converted them to cartesian form to get the final roots.
(edited 10 years ago)
Reply 6
Original post by nugiboy
Oh right, all of the working is now in the OP.

I literally just used my theta values of

θ=9π4,13π4\theta=\frac{9\pi}{4}, \frac{13\pi}{4}

and my r value of

r=22r=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}

to get the two complex roots in mod-arg form. I then converted them to cartesian form to get the final roots.


Then you must have an error earlier in your working.

My working..

iz2+2zi+1=0\displaystyle i z^2+2z-i+1=0

I multiplied through by -i. Not really necessary but..

z22iz1i=0\displaystyle z^2-2iz-1-i=0

Then use the formula:

z=2i±44(1i)2\displaystyle z=\frac{2i\pm\sqrt{-4-4(-1-i)}}{2}

z=i±i\displaystyle z=i\pm\sqrt{i}

z=i±22(1+i)\displaystyle z=i\pm\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}(1+i)

etc.
Reply 7
Original post by BabyMaths
Then you must have an error earlier in your working.

My working..

iz2+2zi+1=0\displaystyle i z^2+2z-i+1=0

I multiplied through by -i. Not really necessary but..

z22iz1i=0\displaystyle z^2-2iz-1-i=0

Then use the formula:

z=2i±44(1i)2\displaystyle z=\frac{2i\pm\sqrt{-4-4(-1-i)}}{2}

z=i±i\displaystyle z=i\pm\sqrt{i}

z=i±22(1+i)\displaystyle z=i\pm\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}(1+i)

etc.


How have you gone from your second last to last steps?
Reply 8
Original post by nugiboy
How have you gone from your second last to last steps?


Modulus and argument. :wink:
Reply 9
Original post by BabyMaths
Modulus and argument. :wink:



Thanks!! I get it :smile:

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