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Hi! I have the solution to these questions but unsure as to how it was worked out, why were the velocities of A and B added instead of subtracted to find the relative velocity?
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Original post by marinacalder
Hi! I have the solution to these questions but unsure as to how it was worked out, why were the velocities of A and B added instead of subtracted to find the relative velocity?


The velocity of A relative to B denoted by vABv_{AB} is found by vBvAv_B-v_A - likewise for rABr_{AB}

Since vA=0i25jv_A=0{\bf i}-25{\bf j} and
Unparseable latex formula:

v_B=-30{\bf i} + 0 \bf j}

from your diagram, you have vBA=30i25jv_{BA}=30 {\bf i} -25 {\bf j}

Then since at t=0t=0 you have rA=0i+610jr_A=0 {\bf i } + 610{\bf j } and rB=610i+0jr_B= 610 {\bf i } + 0{\bf j } you have rBA=610i+610jr_{BA}=-610 {\bf i } + 610{\bf j }

So at time tt you have rBA=(610i+610j)+(30ti25tj)=(610+30t)i+(61025t)jr_{BA}=(-610 {\bf i } + 610{\bf j })+(30t {\bf i} -25t {\bf j})=(-610+30t) {\bf i}+(610-25t) {\bf j}

So really the i{\bf i} component is incorrect there by a multiple -1, but of course the correct answer is achieved as the multiple of -1 goes to +1 when squared as does +1 squared if it were correctly written down.
(610 - 30t) and (610 - 25t) are displacements from the origin, not velocities.

The straight line distance between the two cars is found by Pythagoras: d^2 = x^2 + y^2, where all of those distances are functions of t.

The rest of the working consists of minimising d^2 (which is as good as minimising the modulus of d) by differentiating with respect to t and setting the differential equal to zero.

There is no addition or subtraction of velocities involved here.
Original post by RDKGames
The velocity of A relative to B denoted by vABv_{AB} is found by vBvAv_B-v_A - likewise for rABr_{AB}

Since vA=0i25jv_A=0{\bf i}-25{\bf j} and
Unparseable latex formula:

v_B=-30{\bf i} + 0 \bf j}

from your diagram, you have vBA=30i25jv_{BA}=30 {\bf i} -25 {\bf j}

Then since at t=0t=0 you have rA=0i+610jr_A=0 {\bf i } + 610{\bf j } and rB=610i+0jr_B= 610 {\bf i } + 0{\bf j } you have rBA=610i+610jr_{BA}=-610 {\bf i } + 610{\bf j }

So at time tt you have rBA=(610i+610j)+(30ti25tj)=(610+30t)i+(61025t)jr_{BA}=(-610 {\bf i } + 610{\bf j })+(30t {\bf i} -25t {\bf j})=(-610+30t) {\bf i}+(610-25t) {\bf j}

So really the i{\bf i} component is incorrect there by a multiple -1, but of course the correct answer is achieved as the multiple of -1 goes to +1 when squared as does +1 squared if it were correctly written down.

Thank you so much! I was seriously confused! Explained perfectly!
Original post by old_engineer
(610 - 30t) and (610 - 25t) are displacements from the origin, not velocities.

The straight line distance between the two cars is found by Pythagoras: d^2 = x^2 + y^2, where all of those distances are functions of t.

The rest of the working consists of minimising d^2 (which is as good as minimising the modulus of d) by differentiating with respect to t and setting the differential equal to zero.

There is no addition or subtraction of velocities involved here.


Your way of explaining things makes perfect sense to me- thank you so much!!

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