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    (Original post by Acsel)
    Honestly I consider smoking to be far worse. It has much more obvious side effects and directly affects the people around you. The negative effect it has on the body cannot be mitigated by a little exercise. The motivation to start smoking is far lower than the motivation to eat some unhealthy food. Smoking is also not good for you, regardless of whether you do it a lot or a little but unhealthy food in moderation won't make you obese. There's some clear distinctions between the two.

    But I ultimately see no reason why they can't be criticised. You can consider it unecessary but then their choice to harm themselves is also unnecessary. I completely understand your point, if they want to just let them. That's fine. But it has negative impacts on other people, in particular it sets a poor precendent. Subconsciously, a lot of young people will look up to adults as role models. Criticism of these people is necessary if they are fully aware that they are harming themselves and would still like to be obese or smoke. It's really no different from a slow form of suicide and that's not a healthy thing to promote. Sure, let people do what they want if it has absolutely no impact on others. But ideally it would be best to totally erradicate things like smoking and obesity. Will it happen? No, of course not. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

    Letting people make their own choices is not a free pass to do something stupid and not have people judge you.
    (Original post by Acsel)
    Honestly I consider smoking to be far worse. It has much more obvious side effects and directly affects the people around you. The negative effect it has on the body cannot be mitigated by a little exercise. The motivation to start smoking is far lower than the motivation to eat some unhealthy food. Smoking is also not good for you, regardless of whether you do it a lot or a little but unhealthy food in moderation won't make you obese. There's some clear distinctions between the two.

    But I ultimately see no reason why they can't be criticised. You can consider it unecessary but then their choice to harm themselves is also unnecessary. I completely understand your point, if they want to just let them. That's fine. But it has negative impacts on other people, in particular it sets a poor precendent. Subconsciously, a lot of young people will look up to adults as role models. Criticism of these people is necessary if they are fully aware that they are harming themselves and would still like to be obese or smoke. It's really no different from a slow form of suicide and that's not a healthy thing to promote. Sure, let people do what they want if it has absolutely no impact on others. But ideally it would be best to totally erradicate things like smoking and obesity. Will it happen? No, of course not. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

    Letting people make their own choices is not a free pass to do something stupid and not have people judge you.
    Do you have a smoker friend who you start arguing with each time he sparks a new one? Is it effective? If you don't have any smoker friends would you argue back? Do you think it'll be effective?

    Personally I don't think it will. It may do more harm than good in some cases (e.g. fat shaming may lead to comfort eating or the complete opposite - annorexia). We should look to other more productive methods. The sugar tax is a good example imo.

    (Original post by jdddd)
    You're an idiot. Go back to school. Sport still has its benefits and its fun - Smoking/Obesity? What benefits and is it fun? No, does it limit you? Yes, are operations etc more expensive? Yes, is there more of a risk to life? Yes. Bless you. Comparing a Sport to that of Smoking and Obesity < in which most Sports clubs have there own physios etc and the NHS sometimes aren't even involved unless its a break.
    Smoking is obviously done for recreational reasons and eating junk food tastes good.

    Erm some sports have huge risks of injury and can cost a lot to treat. Have you seen MMA?
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    Smoking is obviously done for recreational reasons and eating junk food tastes good.

    Erm some sports have huge risks of injury and can cost a lot to treat. Have you seen MMA?
    Well done! Not as much and as big of a problem as Smoking and Obesity jesus christ what is your problem? Must be hard to hard to understand for you. Yes i've trained in boxing. I've never seen someone so seriously injured that would of come to a major cost to the NHS, major injuries from fight related sports are small.
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    Smoking is obviously done for recreational reasons and eating junk food tastes good.

    Erm some sports have huge risks of injury and can cost a lot to treat. Have you seen MMA?
    So, because it tastes good you have to eat so much of it it seriously affects your own and others lives? How selfish. Smoking to look cool lol Nice one.
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    (Original post by jdddd)
    Well done! Not as much and as big of a problem as Smoking and Obesity jesus christ what is your problem? Must be hard to hard to understand for you. Yes i've trained in boxing. I've never seen someone so seriously injured that would of come to a major cost to the NHS, major injuries from fight related sports are small.
    So the minimum cost to the nhs from a lifestyle choice must be at least as much as the cost of obesity?

    Is that what you're saying?
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    So the minimum cost to the nhs from a lifestyle choice must be at least as much as the cost of obesity?

    Is that what you're saying?
    No..God bless you😂😂 You're in denial like the OP said about fat women.
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    (Original post by jdddd)
    No..God bless you😂😂 You're in denial like the OP said about fat women.
    Lol. In denial about what? That obesity is a problem?
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    Lol. In denial about what? That obesity is a problem?
    Is that you admitting it?
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    (Original post by jdddd)
    Is that you admitting it?
    Obesity is a huge problem. I don't think we can just walk around criticising fat people for being fat though. Thought I made that clear.
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    Obesity is a huge problem. I don't think we can just walk around criticising fat people for being fat though. Thought I made that clear.
    I don’t think anybody has. The title is questionable, but if you read the post and the article there is no criticism I can see
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    Obesity is a huge problem. I don't think we can just walk around criticising fat people for being fat though. Thought I made that clear.
    I think if you're cleary obese you can be critisied. Iam by no means, meaning that people should shout at them in the streets etc I mean they should be more open to debate and people should allow criticism. Such as in the case of the OPs post, people should accept it, not argue back as Cancer research have a very valid point - in fact its fact.
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    Anyone upset by the obesity poster should just look at this tweet. https://mobile.twitter.com/lisagrave...ter-7355072%2F
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    Well smoking also drains money and puts strain on the NHS. But no I don't think they need new ambulances for smokers.
    The amount the average smoker pays in cigarette tax over their lifetime more than covers the cost to the NHS in most cases.
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    (Original post by jdddd)
    Well done! Not as much and as big of a problem as Smoking and Obesity jesus christ what is your problem? Must be hard to hard to understand for you. Yes i've trained in boxing. I've never seen someone so seriously injured that would of come to a major cost to the NHS, major injuries from fight related sports are small.
    There’s no comparison between smoking/obesity and a sports injury. A sports injury happens when you doing something good for your health (exercise) and it goes a bit wrong. Smoking/obesity are bad for you whatever way you look at it.
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    [QUOTE=howitoughttobe;76423880]The amount the average smoker pays in cigarette tax over their lifetime more than covers the cost to the NHS in most cases
    (Original post by Andrew97)
    There’s no comparison between smoking/obesity and a sports injury. A sports injury happens when you doing something good for your health (exercise) and it goes a bit wrong. Smoking/obesity are bad for you whatever way you look at it.
    Exactly, dont know how hard it is for some people to understand.
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    (Original post by Andrew97)
    There’s no comparison between smoking/obesity and a sports injury. A sports injury happens when you doing something good for your health (exercise) and it goes a bit wrong. Smoking/obesity are bad for you whatever way you look at it.
    Safer sports out there instead of MMA

    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    The amount the average smoker pays in cigarette tax over their lifetime more than covers the cost to the NHS in most cases.
    Food is taxed... Technically if you eat more you pay more to the NHS

    (Original post by jdddd)
    I think if you're cleary obese you can be critisied. Iam by no means, meaning that people should shout at them in the streets etc I mean they should be more open to debate and people should allow criticism. Such as in the case of the OPs post, people should accept it, not argue back as Cancer research have a very valid point - in fact its fact.
    Well in this case I think criticism is fine. If both parties are open for a debate then by all means go ahead.
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    Well in this case I think criticism is fine. If both parties are open for a debate then by all means go ahead.
    That long ass conversation and all your arguing for you to agree smh lol
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    Food is taxed... Technically if you eat more you pay more to the NHS
    Some, but not all, food has VAT on it. However, cigarettes are extremely highly taxed so a smoker would contribute far more than an obese person. As I said most smokers cover their cost to the NHS through tax on cigarettes. As far as I'm aware, obese people paying VAT on some food doesn't cover the cost of their obesity to the NHS.
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    Do you have a smoker friend who you start arguing with each time he sparks a new one? Is it effective? If you don't have any smoker friends would you argue back? Do you think it'll be effective?

    Personally I don't think it will. It may do more harm than good in some cases (e.g. fat shaming may lead to comfort eating or the complete opposite - annorexia). We should look to other more productive methods. The sugar tax is a good example imo.
    No, I don't associate with smokers. It just so happens that none of the people I'm friends with right now are stupid enough to smoke. But you've completely missed the point. It is not about talking to people on an individual level. It's about a nation wide thing. Even if I convince one smoker to stop, that doesn't address the bigger problem. Give a man a fish and all that.

    But to answer your question, yes if I had a friend or family member who smoked I would try convince them to stop. If I cared about them enough then obviously I also care about their well being. That is no different for smoking, eating disorders and so on. If someone I personally knew was suffering then yes I'd try to help them. I'd have thought that were obvious.

    Your bias makes it sound like everyone here is just out to shame fat people, as though you read the title of the thread and jumped on your keyboard before reading the rest of the OP or the posts that followed. That is clearly not the case
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    (Original post by HighOnGoofballs)
    Nobody is claiming it's easy to slim down or become healthy from previously being fat/obese. But I have no sympathy for those who don't even try, and rather, as seen by a growing movement of fat acceptance, become comfortable being fat, ergo, implying its a good thing even as well as playing the victim in many situations.
    Ignored or failed to understand my point.
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    (Original post by ThomH97)
    After smoking, being obese is the leading cause of cancer. Apparently only 15% of people know this, so I think it is a good thing for CRUK to raise awareness of this. You will probably have seen some of their new posters this week.

    A comedian called Sofie Hagen has taken issue with this, and the BBC also seem to be a bit critical, actually asking questions such as "Is "fatness" a bad thing?" which everybody should know the correct answer to before they reach high school.

    In fact, given that there is clearly still ignorance about how bad obesity is, I think that further vindicates CRUK's decision to run this campaign. That people are trying to misrepresent this factual information into "Oh my god, it's fat shaming" is terrible. People may fat shame anyway, but the truth that being obese is a cause of cancer is still a truth people need to be aware of.
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