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In this Question, how can I calculate R ? R will be negative as the vertical component caused by the 42N will be greater than the weight alone, so R would have to be negative to counter this, yet R is a force so must be positive, right ?

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What do I do ?

Thanks.
Original post by seals2001
In this Question, how can I calculate R ? R will be negative as the vertical component caused by the 42N will be greater than the weight alone, so R would have to be negative to counter this, yet R is a force so must be positive, right ?

Screenshot 2021-01-26 at 09.46.07.png

What do I do ?

Thanks.

Bad question. Move on to next one. R cannot be negative.
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Original post by seals2001
In this Question, how can I calculate R ? R will be negative as the vertical component caused by the 42N will be greater than the weight alone, so R would have to be negative to counter this, yet R is a force so must be positive, right ?

Screenshot 2021-01-26 at 09.46.07.png

What do I do ?

Thanks.

Not quite sure what you're thinking here!

The 42N force has a vertical component that must match the weight, otherwise the particle would take off. That gives you the frictional force via F = (mu)R.

Then you can resolve horizontally to get the net horizontal force and hence acceleration.
Reply 3
Original post by davros
Not quite sure what you're thinking here!

The 42N force has a vertical component that must match the weight, otherwise the particle would take off. That gives you the frictional force via F = (mu)R.

Then you can resolve horizontally to get the net horizontal force and hence acceleration.

But what about R ? The vertical component is not the same as R;

W = R + Y , where Y is the vertical component of the 42N force.
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Original post by seals2001
But what about R ? The vertical component is not the same as R;

W = R + Y , where Y is the vertical component of the 42N force.

sorry, see response from RDKGames - I hadn't calculated the values when I replied. Question ,must be incorrect :smile:
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Original post by seals2001
But what about R ? The vertical component is not the same as R;

W = R + Y , where Y is the vertical component of the 42N force.

i agree... the vertical component of the string force is 26.4 N

the weight of the block is 24.5 N

:s-smilie:
Reply 6
Original post by seals2001
But what about R ? The vertical component is not the same as R;

W = R + Y , where Y is the vertical component of the 42N force.


BTW is this a question from a textbook or just an online test somewhere?
Reply 7
Original post by davros
BTW is this a question from a textbook or just an online test somewhere?

This is from Dr Frost.
Reply 8
Original post by seals2001
This is from Dr Frost.

Oh right. Somebody wasn't paying attention when they set the question :biggrin:
Reply 9
Original post by davros
Oh right. Somebody wasn't paying attention when they set the question :biggrin:

I feel like the same thing is going on in this question :

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Think your equations are mixed up.
The force of 15 prevents sliding down the slope so calculate mu.
Then flip friction and calculate force about to push the block up the slope.
F=15 in the first scenario and is the balancing force for weight and friction.
(edited 3 years ago)
Reply 11
Original post by mqb2766
Think your equations are mixed up.
The force of 15 prevents sliding down the slope so calculate mu.
Then flip friction and calculate force about to push the block up the slope.
F=15 in the first scenario and is the balancing force for weight and friction.

Thank you :smile:
Reply 12
Original post by RDKGames
Bad question. Move on to next one. R cannot be negative.


Am I right in saying that the same problem has happened in this question ?

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It's from the same source.
Im sure you know it's wrong for the same reason.
Looks like there is a "random" generation of numbers for a template question and some don't make sense.
I saw on Twitter hed uploaded some new maths-mechanics questions.
Maybe drop him a line and let him know the problem?
(edited 3 years ago)

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