HNC MATHS A2 Task 3 (Radio Transmitters)
Any pointers for the question below? struggling as to where to start.
Your company produces radio transmitters and part of that circuit uses a ring modulator to multiply a high frequency sinusoidal carrier signal with a much lower frequency audio signal to transmit over long distances using amplitude modulation, (AM).
The ring modulator circuit works by multiplying together the 125 kHz carrier signal, Vc, and the 10 kHz audio signal, Va, to produce the transmitted modulated signal output, Vo. The two signals and the output from the ring modulator are described as follows:
𝑉𝑐=4cos(2𝜋125∗103𝑡)
𝑉𝑎=2cos(2𝜋10∗103𝑡)
𝑉𝑜=[4+2cos(2𝜋10∗103𝑡)]cos(2𝜋125∗103𝑡)=[4+𝑉𝑎][𝑉𝑐4]=𝑉𝑐+[𝑉𝑎𝑉𝑐4]
Use one of the graphical packages listed at the beginning of this assignment to plot 𝑉𝑐, 𝑉𝑎, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑉𝑜, and include a screenshot of your plot as part of your submission. Ensure the scale of both axes is carefully chosen to clearly show the detail of all 3 waveforms.
If you drew a smooth curve linking the peaks of the positive half cycles of the output waveform, Vo, which is called the envelope of the waveform, what can you observe about that curve?
Your company produces radio transmitters and part of that circuit uses a ring modulator to multiply a high frequency sinusoidal carrier signal with a much lower frequency audio signal to transmit over long distances using amplitude modulation, (AM).
The ring modulator circuit works by multiplying together the 125 kHz carrier signal, Vc, and the 10 kHz audio signal, Va, to produce the transmitted modulated signal output, Vo. The two signals and the output from the ring modulator are described as follows:
𝑉𝑐=4cos(2𝜋125∗103𝑡)
𝑉𝑎=2cos(2𝜋10∗103𝑡)
𝑉𝑜=[4+2cos(2𝜋10∗103𝑡)]cos(2𝜋125∗103𝑡)=[4+𝑉𝑎][𝑉𝑐4]=𝑉𝑐+[𝑉𝑎𝑉𝑐4]
Use one of the graphical packages listed at the beginning of this assignment to plot 𝑉𝑐, 𝑉𝑎, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑉𝑜, and include a screenshot of your plot as part of your submission. Ensure the scale of both axes is carefully chosen to clearly show the detail of all 3 waveforms.
If you drew a smooth curve linking the peaks of the positive half cycles of the output waveform, Vo, which is called the envelope of the waveform, what can you observe about that curve?
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Have you got anywhere with this as of yet? Im currently trying to work out the exact same question.
Ive got a final answer but it looks kind of weird and even more strange when plotted in the desmos graphing sim.
Ive got a final answer but it looks kind of weird and even more strange when plotted in the desmos graphing sim.
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by constantine20Have you got anywhere with this as of yet? Im currently trying to work out the exact same question.
Ive got a final answer but it looks kind of weird and even more strange when plotted in the desmos graphing sim.
Ive got a final answer but it looks kind of weird and even more strange when plotted in the desmos graphing sim.
I did manage to get all 3 graphs done and they seemed correct i didn’t compare my findings though
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by csutton18I did manage to get all 3 graphs done and they seemed correct i didn’t compare my findings though 
that was my final wave form
do you have an image of what your graph looks like with all 3 plotted? ive got something plotted but i can not seem to adjust the axis correctly to get all 3 clearly visible. was your image above just the Vo waveform?
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by constantine20do you have an image of what your graph looks like with all 3 plotted? ive got something plotted but i can not seem to adjust the axis correctly to get all 3 clearly visible. was your image above just the Vo waveform?
That graph above is with the 2 put together as 1 equation 1 graph should be as the 4 cos equation the 2nd as the 2 cos equation then the 3rd as above with both together which you can see from the equation above it
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by csutton18That graph above is with the 2 put together as 1 equation 1 graph should be as the 4 cos equation the 2nd as the 2 cos equation then the 3rd as above with both together which you can see from the equation above it
okay so it appears mine is widly different, I can assume ive gone terribly wrong somewhere. ive got an incredibly high frequency for the Vo waveform with 6 cos (3*pi*312625000) i did the 𝑉𝑐 + [𝑉𝑎𝑉𝑐/4] and thats what it came out at. Any hints on where it could have gone wrong?
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I’ll have a look this weekend if I can if not it will be Monday as I’m not at my pc and I can get you the 2 equations I used for the first 2 graphs
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Im also a little stuck on this part, Ive input the equations into desmos and put them all onto the same graph to compare, but i must be missing something, it seems way too simple for a question.
"If you drew a smooth curve linking the peaks of the positive half cycles of the output waveform, Vo, which is called the envelope of the waveform, what can you observe about that curve?" All i can say is the peaks follow the curve of Va graph... doesn't seem like the right answer lol
My two plots zoomed in and out a little
"If you drew a smooth curve linking the peaks of the positive half cycles of the output waveform, Vo, which is called the envelope of the waveform, what can you observe about that curve?" All i can say is the peaks follow the curve of Va graph... doesn't seem like the right answer lol
My two plots zoomed in and out a little
Reply 8
How did you scale the axis on this? ive plotted the graphs but cant for the life of me find the correct scale to get the curve looking like yours? cheers
(Original post by OsirisMB)Im also a little stuck on this part, Ive input the equations into desmos and put them all onto the same graph to compare, but i must be missing something, it seems way too simple for a question.
"If you drew a smooth curve linking the peaks of the positive half cycles of the output waveform, Vo, which is called the envelope of the waveform, what can you observe about that curve?" All i can say is the peaks follow the curve of Va graph... doesn't seem like the right answer lol
My two plots zoomed in and out a little
how did you scale your axis? ive plotted my graphs but now cant seem to get the axis right to show the curves correctly?
(Original post by OsirisMB)Im also a little stuck on this part, Ive input the equations into desmos and put them all onto the same graph to compare, but i must be missing something, it seems way too simple for a question.
"If you drew a smooth curve linking the peaks of the positive half cycles of the output waveform, Vo, which is called the envelope of the waveform, what can you observe about that curve?" All i can say is the peaks follow the curve of Va graph... doesn't seem like the right answer lol
My two plots zoomed in and out a little
how did you scale your axis? ive plotted my graphs but now cant seem to get the axis right to show the curves correctly?
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by constantine20How did you scale the axis on this? ive plotted the graphs but cant for the life of me find the correct scale to get the curve looking like yours? cheers
(Original post by OsirisMB)Im also a little stuck on this part, Ive input the equations into desmos and put them all onto the same graph to compare, but i must be missing something, it seems way too simple for a question.
"If you drew a smooth curve linking the peaks of the positive half cycles of the output waveform, Vo, which is called the envelope of the waveform, what can you observe about that curve?" All i can say is the peaks follow the curve of Va graph... doesn't seem like the right answer lol
My two plots zoomed in and out a little
how did you scale your axis? ive plotted my graphs but now cant seem to get the axis right to show the curves correctly?
(Original post by OsirisMB)Im also a little stuck on this part, Ive input the equations into desmos and put them all onto the same graph to compare, but i must be missing something, it seems way too simple for a question.
"If you drew a smooth curve linking the peaks of the positive half cycles of the output waveform, Vo, which is called the envelope of the waveform, what can you observe about that curve?" All i can say is the peaks follow the curve of Va graph... doesn't seem like the right answer lol
My two plots zoomed in and out a little
how did you scale your axis? ive plotted my graphs but now cant seem to get the axis right to show the curves correctly?
I think it’s the cog on the left hand side for the scale. If I remember I think it’s -0.00001 to 0.00001
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by csutton18I think it’s the cog on the left hand side for the scale. If I remember I think it’s -0.00001 to 0.00001
amazing thank you for that, that has sorted me out for the image of your second one where its very similar to one of the other plotted graphs. now to play around and find out how to get the graph looking like your top image.
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by constantine20amazing thank you for that, that has sorted me out for the image of your second one where its very similar to one of the other plotted graphs. now to play around and find out how to get the graph looking like your top image.
Your black graph isn’t far off my the looks of it. It did take some playing around to get that graph but not 100% sure if that was correct or not he never mentioned it when he marked my paper so yours could be good enough
Reply 12
yeah all i did was use the spanner button on the top right hand corner of desmos and play around with the axis numbers until i found ones that worked well, usually just add or remove a 0
Reply 13
was any body able to tell what to label the axes for these sine waves im abit stuck with it dont want to miss anything as im aiming for distinction
Reply 14
I didnt actually put any labels on the axes, must have forgotten that but i got a distinction and there were no comments on it from the market. Only thing i did was label the graph with what was plotted, Vo=4cosetcetc
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by OsirisMBI didnt actually put any labels on the axes, must have forgotten that but i got a distinction and there were no comments on it from the market. Only thing i did was label the graph with what was plotted, Vo=4cosetcetc
no worries i just ended up labelling the x axis time and the y axis amplitude.
can you give me any tips for part 2
Using the information contained in Section 2.3 of Workbook 2 on Trigonometric Identities, develop an
alternative expression for Vo, to show that the output from the multiplier circuit comprises frequency
components at 115 kHz, 125 kHz, and 135 kHz.
Subsequently, plot your alternative mathematical expansion to demonstrate that the two versions of the
output signal, Vo, from Part 1 and Part 2, are identical
ive been stuck on this for a while at its all i need to complete the assignment as im aiming for distinction level as well am currently doing my study with unicourse but just cant quite get my head around this section
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did you figure it out im stuck on this also ?
Reply 17
How did you guys get on? I just submitted mine, not sure if its correct or not but here it is.
First, we must rewrite the signal in a form that shows the components.
Vo = VC + Va Vc/4
Plug the expressions for the two signals into this equation to give.
Vo =4cos(2π125*10^3t) + [2cos(2π10*10^3t) * 4cos (2π125*10^3t)/4]
Simplify to
Vo =4cos(2π125*10^3t) + 2cos(2π10*10^3t) * cos (2π125*10^3t)
Now apply the conversion cos(A)cos(B)=1/2[cos(A−B) +cos(A+B)] to give
Vo = 4cos (2 π125*10^3t) + ½ [cos (2 π125-10) *10^3t) + cos (2 π (125+10) *10^3t)]
This shows that the multiplier circuit comprises frequency components are 115kHz, 125KHz and 135kHz.
Vo = 4cos (2 π125*10^3t) + ½ [cos (2 π 115) *10^3t) + cos (2 π (135) *10^3t)]
First, we must rewrite the signal in a form that shows the components.
Vo = VC + Va Vc/4
Plug the expressions for the two signals into this equation to give.
Vo =4cos(2π125*10^3t) + [2cos(2π10*10^3t) * 4cos (2π125*10^3t)/4]
Simplify to
Vo =4cos(2π125*10^3t) + 2cos(2π10*10^3t) * cos (2π125*10^3t)
Now apply the conversion cos(A)cos(B)=1/2[cos(A−B) +cos(A+B)] to give
Vo = 4cos (2 π125*10^3t) + ½ [cos (2 π125-10) *10^3t) + cos (2 π (125+10) *10^3t)]
This shows that the multiplier circuit comprises frequency components are 115kHz, 125KHz and 135kHz.
Vo = 4cos (2 π125*10^3t) + ½ [cos (2 π 115) *10^3t) + cos (2 π (135) *10^3t)]
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by OsirisMBIm also a little stuck on this part, Ive input the equations into desmos and put them all onto the same graph to compare, but i must be missing something, it seems way too simple for a question.
"If you drew a smooth curve linking the peaks of the positive half cycles of the output waveform, Vo, which is called the envelope of the waveform, what can you observe about that curve?" All i can say is the peaks follow the curve of Va graph... doesn't seem like the right answer lol
My two plots zoomed in and out a little
"If you drew a smooth curve linking the peaks of the positive half cycles of the output waveform, Vo, which is called the envelope of the waveform, what can you observe about that curve?" All i can say is the peaks follow the curve of Va graph... doesn't seem like the right answer lol
My two plots zoomed in and out a little
Hi mate, i'm on this part and got the same answer as you, and yes it does seem too simple, did you go with this answer or have I missed something? cheers...
Reply 19
You guess are legends, how you getting on with assignemnt 3?
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