Why do the worst students become teachers ?

a) Don't be ridiculous, I'm a fresher. And just because you've 'spoken to people doing the course' does not mean you know a damn thing about how hard/easy it is. Take the degree and maybe you can say that; until then, don't make generalisations.

Ok when I say I've spoken to people doing the course I mean that two of my housemates are in their second year of a history degree at York so I know exactly how much work is involved and how it compares to other degrees. Moreover unless you are claiming history is somehow much harder than other comparable degrees then I can also use the evidence of my own degree to form an opinion and the opinion that a 2:1 is fairly easy to achieve still stands and will be backed up by the vast majority o students.

b) For jobs that require a degree, someone with a 2:2 will be preferrable to someone without one. They will still be able to find a high paying job. If you believe otherwise, please provide some evidence to that effect, because I think you are talking utter crap.

hahah Teachers prior to university belong in one category. Professors at university on the other hand are really quite bright. So don't worry...not all teachers are morons.

Ok well a Government study published in October of this year shows that graduates over the course of their lifetime earn on average around £400,000 more than non graduates. However, this difference falls to only £50,000 if you achieved a 2:2 or less in your degree, that seems like evidence to me if you want to delude yourself then fine but what I'm saying is far from utter crap as you put it.

Ok well a Government study published in October of this year shows that graduates over the course of their lifetime earn on average around £400,000 more than non graduates. However, this difference falls to only £50,000 if you achieved a 2:2 or less in your degree, that seems like evidence to me if you want to delude yourself then fine but what I'm saying is far from utter crap as you put it.

I know.
I am at Oxford. Most of my lecturers and all my tutors are excellent.
The few who arent excellent are merely poor communicators.

Well this is slightly irrelevant, but:
Doesn't it really depend upon your degree as well? Facing the facts, many liberal arts degrees are unemployable and I doubt they'd make more than non-graduates over a lifetime.

What is your profession then, if you are so clever?

No profession yet.
I intend to go into investment banking after graduation.

I am currently merely a rather annoying student.
However, according to my tutors at Oxford, I am on track to get a First class.

It shouldn't matter too much. Unless you do a truly crap degree like.. I dunno.. cake decorating.

Yawn, as I said, having a 2:2 will mean you still get higher paying graduate jobs than if you had no degree at all, though perhaps not the highest paying jobs. Hence I doubt a calling of Unemployment or working at Tesco beckons for all those with a 2:2. You did, in fact, just back up what I said.

haha...Well, liberal arts majors NEED to go to graduate school. It does pay off, but graduate school seems necessary in order to have a big salary difference. Unfortunately that's the same with biology/chem majors in America if they don't get into medical school. Basically the only undergraduate majors in America that allow for a decent salary without graduate work are: Engineering, business, accounting. This is why I have to go to law school..bastards.

You know what i'm beginning to see why you think your limit is a 2:2 rom your inability to follow an argument. I'm sure you'll be very happy having avoided Tescos and unemployment to work in another dead end job, good luck with your future career.

So basically, good advice is: Don't get a job in the U.S.
Otherwise you're fine.

So still a kid whining about how he didn't like his teachers when he was in school? Figures.

You know what i'm beginning to see why you think your limit is a 2:2 from your inability to follow an argument. I'm sure you'll be very happy having avoided Tescos and unemployment to work in another dead end job, good luck with your future career.

No if he's already at university he's probably as old as you are if not older considering you are a fresher...

So basically, good advice is: Don't get a job in the U.S.
Otherwise you're fine.

Are you suggesting I'm a 2:2 student? Ha ha, nicely unfounded there.
I followed your argument, however, with those stats you made the point that people with 2:2 degrees still make £50,000 more in life than people without degrees. So they're still higher earners. Silly boy.

Fundamentally is a female.