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Reply 20
Original post by Star-girl
Yes that works.


Can u help me with q6c in the above post?
Original post by e^x
Can u help me with q6c in the above post?


Out at uni atm and won't get back until after 7pm, so I'll have a proper look at it then.
Original post by e^x
I need help with 6)c)

For 6)a) I showed the 4 conditions hold for inner product.

For 6)b) I use the Gram-Schimdt process to construct an orthonormal set.


Notice that for 6 (b) you don't need to use Gram-Schmidt, as {F1,F2,F3}\{F_1, F_2, F_3\} is already an orthogonal set. All you need to do here is to normalize each of the FiF_i so that <Fi,Fi>=1<F_i, F_i> = 1.

Then you use Gram-Schmidt in part (c) - but note here that the process only needs to be applied to GG as the others are already orthogonal.

N.B. I think there's a typo in the part (iii) of the question: {F1,F2,F3,F4}\{F_1, F_2, F_3, F_4\} can't be orthonormal - you've been asked to make {F1,F2,F3}\{F_1, F_2, F_3\} orthonormal in part (ii) of the question! So looks like the question should read "orthogonal" or should be asking for an orthonormal {F1,F2,F3,F4}\{F'_1, F'_2, F'_3, F'_4\}, where {F1,F2,F3}\{F'_1, F'_2, F'_3\} was the orthonormal basis constructed in part (ii).
Reply 23
Original post by Gregorius
Notice that for 6 (b) you don't need to use Gram-Schmidt, as {F1,F2,F3}\{F_1, F_2, F_3\} is already an orthogonal set. All you need to do here is to normalize each of the FiF_i so that <Fi,Fi>=1<F_i, F_i> = 1.

Then you use Gram-Schmidt in part (c) - but note here that the process only needs to be applied to GG as the others are already orthogonal.

N.B. I think there's a typo in the part (iii) of the question: {F1,F2,F3,F4}\{F_1, F_2, F_3, F_4\} can't be orthonormal - you've been asked to make {F1,F2,F3}\{F_1, F_2, F_3\} orthonormal in part (ii) of the question! So looks like the question should read "orthogonal" or should be asking for an orthonormal {F1,F2,F3,F4}\{F'_1, F'_2, F'_3, F'_4\}, where {F1,F2,F3}\{F'_1, F'_2, F'_3\} was the orthonormal basis constructed in part (ii).


Oh so for part ii, I should use the formula F1/||F1||, F2/||F2|| and F3/||F3|| to get an orthonormal set?

And for part iii i should use the formula: W4= G - <G,F3>*F3 - <G,F2>*F2 - <G,F1>*F1

Then obtain F4 by doing W4/||W4||?
Original post by e^x
Oh so for part ii, I should use the formula F1/||F1||, F2/||F2|| and F3/||F3|| to get an orthonormal set?

And for part iii i should use the formula: W4= G - <G,F3>*F3 - <G,F2>*F2 - <G,F1>*F1

Then obtain F4 by doing W4/||W4||?


That sounds about right to me.
Reply 25
Original post by Gregorius
That sounds about right to me.


Thanks a lot.

Also is it always the case that if S and T bases for a vector space V then so is SnT?
Original post by e^x
Thanks a lot.

Also is it always the case that if S and T bases for a vector space V then so is SnT?


Do you mean STS \cap T ? Think about R2 \mathbb{R}^2 with the usual orthonormal basis (call it S). Rotate that basis by a small amount to get a new basis T. Then ST=S \cap T = \emptyset . What do you think now?
Reply 27
Original post by e^x
Thanks a lot.

Also is it always the case that if S and T bases for a vector space V then so is SnT?


Definitely not, consider R. R has a basis {1} and {2}, S intersect T = the empty set
Reply 28
Original post by Gregorius
Do you mean STS \cap T ? Think about R2 \mathbb{R}^2 with the usual orthonormal basis (call it S). Rotate that basis by a small amount to get a new basis T. Then ST=S \cap T = \emptyset . What do you think now?


Original post by Gome44
Definitely not, consider R. R has a basis {1} and {2}, S intersect T = the empty set


Thanks a lot for your help guys. :smile:
Reply 29
Can u check this q for me?


I got the kernel as 1 and the images as 3.
Reply 30
Original post by Gome44
Definitely not, consider R. R has a basis {1} and {2}, S intersect T = the empty set


Original post by Star-girl
Out at uni atm and won't get back until after 7pm, so I'll have a proper look at it then.


^^^
Reply 31
Original post by e^x
Can u check this q for me?


I got the kernel as 1 and the images as 3.


Kernal and Image are sets, not numbers. I assume you mean rank and nullity?
Reply 32
Original post by e^x
Can u check this q for me?


I got the kernel as 1 and the images as 3.


Also can i point out, in your working you say: "nullity of the kernel".

Nullity is defined as the dimension of the kernel, so saying nullity of the kernel is meaningless
Reply 33
Original post by e^x
Can u check this q for me?


I got the kernel as 1 and the images as 3.


Ok, your answer is correct, but you need to have some reasoning why the basis for your image is as small as it can be. By rank-nullity, the basis for the image has 3 elements, and as yours does it is fine. But I'm pretty sure thats why the question asks you to state all the theorems you use
Reply 34
Original post by Gome44
Ok, your answer is correct, but you need to have some reasoning why the basis for your image is as small as it can be. By rank-nullity, the basis for the image has 3 elements, and as yours does it is fine. But I'm pretty sure thats why the question asks you to state all the theorems you use


Yh sorry about that I missed somethings out.

But thanks :smile:

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