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A tractor and its driver have a combined mass of 4m kilograms.
The tractor is towing a trailer of mass m kilograms in a straight line along a horizontal
road.
The tractor and trailer are connected by a horizontal tow bar, modelled as a light rigid
rod.
A driving force of 11 080 N and a total resistance force of 160 N act on the tractor.
A total resistance force of 600 N acts on the trailer.
The tractor and the trailer have an acceleration of 0.8 m s2

Work out m and the tension in the tow bar

At the instant the speed of the tractor reaches 18 km h1 the tow bar breaks.
The total resistance force acting on the trailer remains constant.
Starting from the instant the tow bar breaks, calculate the time taken until the speed
of the trailer reduces to 9 km h1
How would I go about working this out?
(edited 2 years ago)
Reply 1
Plsss i need help
What have you got so far?
Original post by ayman98763
Plsss i need help

Are you just asking us to do your homework for you or do you need help with something specific?
First, try using F=ma to create equations of motion for the trailer and the tractor.
Reply 5
Original post by Nagromicous
Are you just asking us to do your homework for you or do you need help with something

I need help working out the tension and time taken? I've worked out the mass
Original post by ayman98763
I need help working out the tension and time taken? I've worked out the mass

What is the resultant force, mass and acceleration of the trailer?
Reply 7
Original post by squidge_gt
What have you got so far?

ive got that 11080-600-160=0.8*m
and then i got the mass as 12900Newtons
Reply 8
Original post by Zelerate
What is the resultant force, mass and acceleration of the trailer?

ive got the mass as 12900newtons
acceleration is 0.8ms^-2
and i think resultant force is 11080-600-160=10320 newtons
If you have the mass of the tractor + trailer (5m) to be 12900, then you can figure out m. Then consider the tractor forces: 11080-160-T=4m * 0.8
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Reply 10
Original post by Zelerate
If you have the mass of the tractor + trailer (5m) to be 12900, then you can figure out m. Then consider the tractor forces: 11080-160-T=m * 0.8

so 11080-600-T = 2580*4
10480-T =10320
so tension is 160 Newtons
is that right?
Original post by ayman98763
so 11080-600-T = 2580*4
10480-T =10320
so tension is 160 Newtons
is that right?

Multiply 2580*4 by 0.8.
Reply 12
Original post by Zelerate
Multiply 2580*4 by 0.8.

2580*4=10320*0.8=8256
10480-8256=2224 newtons
so 2224 newtons as tension.
Any idea about working out time taken, would that involve suvat equations?
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Original post by ayman98763
2580*4=10320*0.8=8256
so 8256 newtons as tension.
Any idea about working out time taken, would that involve suvat equations?

11080 - 160 - 2580*4*0.8 = T = 2664.

For the time taken, it would indeed involve suvat equations as the acceleration is constant. v = u + at would be useful here. Since you know the force and the mass, you can work out the acceleration.
Reply 14
Original post by Zelerate
11080 - 160 - 2580*4*0.8 = T = 2664.

For the time taken, it would indeed involve suvat equations as the acceleration is constant. v = u + at would be useful here. Since you know the force and the mass, you can work out the acceleration.

so i converted kmh^-1 to ms^-1

s
u = 5ms-1 f=ma 10320/12900=0.8 i just get the same acceleration
v = 3.333ms-1
a =0.8
t ?
Original post by ayman98763
so i converted kmh^-1 to ms^-1

s
u = 5ms-1 f=ma 10320/12900=0.8 i just get the same acceleration
v = 3.333ms-1
a =0.8
t ?

Using F = ma (and a = F/m), the acceleration of the trailer should be -600/2560 as the tension no longer acts on it, and the mass is one fifth of 12900 (5m / 5)

Also, as the speed is going from 18 km/h to 9 km/h, shouldn't your value of v should be 2.5?
Reply 16
-600/12900/5= -600/2580 =-10/43


v=u + a t
2.5= 5 +(-10/43)t
-2.5/-10/43 =1075ms-1
Reply 17
Original post by Zelerate
Using F = ma (and a = F/m), the acceleration of the trailer should be -600/2560 as the tension no longer acts on it, and the mass is one fifth of 12900 (5m / 5)

Also, as the speed is going from 18 km/h to 9 km/h, shouldn't your value of v should be 2.5?

yeah my bad I read 12 instead of 9

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