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    Bait is bait.

    But just in case this guy is being serious, "all lives matter" sounds like a copout to ignore racism tbh.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    I'm mean, I don't disagree with any of this but none of it justifies the bullying white face today, compared to other cultures who's history are pretty much similar.

    You agree that all of this stuff applies to other races, so why am I being attacked?
    The contexts are totally different here. African Americans only exist as a demographic because their ancestors were brought over as slaves based purely on the belief that black people are inferior - a belief that continued to stain the lawbooks way past the abolition of slavery and into living memory, and whose effects are still felt today. The racial aspect was unique to the African slave trade, and is the reason it is still relevant to discussions about present day race relations. The Arabs took whites as slaves due to religious and geographical reasons, not for racial reasons, so I don't really see how it fits into the discussion.
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    (Original post by darkvibes)
    Im not concerned with Muslim slavery, that is irrelevant. Muslim slavery doesnt make it better for the white slavery that existed.

    Precisely my point, racism exists in modern history and it is often the case that white people have been the perpetrators.
    Actually, more racism is directed at white people nowadays, particularly institutionally. White people are never allowed to speak before black people now in my area. It's always a case of "black people get to speak first because white people have privilege!" If people were not being racist you'd see an even mix. Racism against white people is even built into our justice system. It's illegal to be racist towards black people, yet when they're racist towards us it's tolerated!

    Heck, I've even seen my friend getting kicked out of a lesson for standing up to it. A fat black girl was tossing a bunch of racist remarks at her so she called the girl a land whale in response. It's not nice I agree, but it's no where near as bad as racism. Though because a black girl had been insulted my friend was a 'racist bigot' and was given a detention by a teacher who'd seen the whole thing. That racist black girl was praised for her 'bravery in standing up to a "privileged" white girl.'

    It's become much worse as radical feminists and BLM radicals have been growing in number. Nowadays black people are free to be as racist as they want to. This whole 'white privilege' dogma needs to be stamped out ASAP.

    Bear in mind that my area can get pretty rough at times. I doubt many civilised black people are like this. But still, as long as BLM and feminism continue to preach that white people have privilege this anti - white crap is just going to get worse.

    (Original post by banterboy)
    I'm mean, I don't disagree with any of this but none of it justifies the bullying white face today, compared to other cultures who's history are pretty much similar.

    You agree that all of this stuff applies to other races, so why am I being attacked?
    Prsom. I'm fed up with people slandering me for being born a white person and then justifying it with bogus claims that white people have privilege.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    The contexts are totally different here. African Americans only exist as a demographic because their ancestors were brought over as slaves based purely on the belief that black people are inferior - a belief that continued to stain the lawbooks way past the abolition of slavery and into living memory, and whose effects are still felt today. The racial aspect was unique to the African slave trade, and is the reason it is still relevant to discussions about present day race relations. The Arabs took whites as slaves due to religious and geographical reasons, not for racial reasons, so I don't really see how it fits into the discussion.
    lol yeah money doesn't exist amirite
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    (Original post by darkvibes)
    Well to some people that is seen as culture appropriation. Its not because one is white that they are being bullied.

    If any person appropriates the culture of another race, they can expect some bullying. Not all would like to see a distinctive feature of their own culture on someone else.
    Here's my issue with cultural appropriation: one cannot definitively state that something is exclusive to one culture. Any individual with knowledge of both social and economic history will safely agree that exposure to a variety of cultures pre-dates our era. Dreadlocks, for example, are not exclusive to 'black' cultures nor is it solely associated with the likes of Bob Marley (as a recent video at San Francisco University purports). Therefore, what right does someone have to bully another individual and making fallacious claims?

    Point being, that you cannot justify bullying by alluding to cultural appropriation. You're trying to morally justify ignorance.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    lol yeah money doesn't exist amirite
    Weak.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    Actually, more racism is directed at white people nowadays, particularly institutionally. White people are never allowed to speak before black people now in my area. It's always a case of "black people get to speak first because white people have privilege!" If people were not being racist you'd see an even mix. Racism against white people is even built into our justice system. It's illegal to be racist towards black people, yet when they're racist towards us it's tolerated!

    Heck, I've even seen my friend getting kicked out of a lesson for standing up to it. A fat black girl was tossing a bunch of racist remarks at her so she called the girl a land whale in response. It's not nice I agree, but it's no where near as bad as racism. Though because a black girl had been insulted my friend was a 'racist bigot' and was given a detention by a teacher who'd seen the whole thing. That racist black girl was praised for her 'bravery in standing up to a "privileged" white girl.'

    It's become much worse as radical feminists and BLM radicals have been growing in number. Nowadays black people are free to be as racist as they want to. This whole 'white privilege' dogma needs to be stamped out ASAP.

    Bear in mind that my area can get pretty rough at times. I doubt many civilised black people are like this. But still, as long as BLM and feminism continue to preach that white people have privilege this anti - white crap is just going to get worse.
    There is a lot of anecdotal fallacy here. I cant argue with it. If it did happen then yes, i am on your side.

    Its illegal to be racist to anyone, not just to coloured but to white people too.

    Your basing everything on this idea that white privilege doesnt exist. Im not interested in arguing whether or not it does exist, but I think it does. Simply search the term up, its on the news everyday and denying its prevalence wont forward the argument.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    Weak.
    If it were purely racial then there must be no other incentive. You are literally saying not a single person used slavery with economic motivations. Now THAT is incredibly weak.
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    (Original post by darkvibes)
    There is a lot of anecdotal fallacy here. I cant argue with it. If it did happen then yes, i am on your side.

    Its illegal to be racist to anyone, not just to coloured but to white people too.

    Your basing everything on this idea that white privilege doesnt exist. Im not interested in arguing whether or not it does exist, but I think it does. Simply search the term up, its on the news everyday and denying its prevalence wont forward the argument.
    But the people you're defending literally do not accept that you can be racist to a white person.

    I DO think there are some racial issues in America that need to be solved. But the entire narrative surrounding it, and the people who are in political power and who are trying to fight it, are nutcases.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    The contexts are totally different here. African Americans only exist as a demographic because their ancestors were brought over as slaves based purely on the belief that black people are inferior - a belief that continued to stain the lawbooks way past the abolition of slavery and into living memory, and whose effects are still felt today. The racial aspect was unique to the African slave trade, and is the reason it is still relevant to discussions about present day race relations. The Arabs took whites as slaves due to religious and geographical reasons, not for racial reasons, so I don't really see how it fits into the discussion.
    I'm pretty sure the enslaved are more worried about being enslaved than the reason for their enslavement.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    But the people you're defending literally do not accept that you can be racist to a white person.

    I DO think there are some racial issues in America that need to be solved. But the entire narrative surrounding it, and the people who are in political power and who are trying to fight it, are nutcases.
    Im not defending anyone here, im saying that 'White lives matter' is a meaningless movement. Historically, there has always been a perception that whites are superior to coloured, hence why there was widespread racism only 50 years ago. This cannot be stamped out easily when it has existed for so long before. It is naive to say you cant be racist but there arent many ways that you can be racist. Much of the racism today exists is based on historical perceptions.

    Yes, the way the racial issues in America is treated is what has called for 'Black lives matter' and 'all lives matter'
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    (Original post by darkvibes)
    There is a lot of anecdotal fallacy here. I cant argue with it. If it did happen then yes, i am on your side.

    Its illegal to be racist to anyone, not just to coloured but to white people too.

    Your basing everything on this idea that white privilege doesnt exist. Im not interested in arguing whether or not it does exist, but I think it does. Simply search the term up, its on the news everyday and denying its prevalence wont forward the argument.
    And therein lies the problem. Too many of you use the media as evidence or to justify the abuse white people receive. The media is in no way a reliable source. They have an agenda and economic motives for inciting racial hatred against white people. If you want facts you need to look at academic papers on these things. Not BLM or feminist papers though, since these people also have an agenda, plus the feminist research method undermines the concept of eradicating emotional bias.
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    I can't imagine how tough it is, as a white man living in a 1st world white majority country :console:
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    And therein lies the problem. Too many of you use the media as evidence or to justify the abuse white people receive. The media is in no way a reliable source. They have an agenda and economic motives for inciting racial hatred against white people. If you want facts you need to look at academic papers on these things. Not BLM or feminist papers though, since these people also have an agenda, plus the feminist research method undermines the concept of eradicating emotional bias.
    What is the abuse that white people face, and how is it different to the abuse that all other races face?

    Your claim that white people are most racially abused institutionally is ridiculous and a fallacy itself.

    The media dont have an agenda to incite racial hatred against white people.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    If it were purely racial then there must be no other incentive. You are literally saying not a single person used slavery with economic motivations. Now THAT is incredibly weak.
    You call people up for not knowing their history then when somebody comes along who does know a thing or two, all you can do is resort to using worn out meme-speak to defensively nitpick at clumsy phrasing while ignoring the meat of the argument. Unless you want to argue against the idea that at the heart of the Atlantic slave trade lay a deeply racist belief system, your post really doesn't bear much impact on mine. Slavery is an economic tool, it goes without saying that there are economic incentives to use slavery. That doesn't mean you get to ignore the racial ideology that was used as a moral justification for the Atlantic slave trade, and the impact that ideology has had on present day society.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    I'm pretty sure the enslaved are more worried about being enslaved than the reason for their enslavement.
    I'm pretty sure they're not worried at all seeing as they're all dead now. We're talking about the relevance to modern day race relations here.
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    Here's my issue with cultural appropriation: one cannot definitively state that something is exclusive to one culture. Any individual with knowledge of both social and economic history will safely agree that exposure to a variety of cultures pre-dates our era. Dreadlocks, for example, are not exclusive to 'black' cultures nor is it solely associated with the likes of Bob Marley (as a recent video at San Francisco University purports). Therefore, what right does someone have to bully another individual and making fallacious claims?

    Point being, that you cannot justify bullying by alluding to cultural appropriation. You're trying to morally justify ignorance.
    Well im not black so I cant comment on dreadlocks, sorry.

    I think the way cultural appropriation is pretty subjective. To some it will offend, to others it wont. When it is subjective, people will have different thinking as to what constitutes as appropriation. Take dreadlocks. It is widely associated with the black community but it isnt with the white community, so when a white person uses dreadlocks, it causes offence towards the blacks. Suggesting something is a fallacy when the issue at hand is very subjective is misleading.

    It isn't as clear cut as 'wherever it originated from, they have the sole decision as to whether something is considered appropriation'.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    You call people up for not knowing their history then when somebody comes along who does know a thing or two, all you can do is resort to using worn out meme-speak to defensively nitpick at clumsy phrasing while ignoring the meat of the argument. Unless you want to argue against the idea that at the heart of the Atlantic slave trade lay a deeply racist belief system, your post really doesn't bear much impact on mine. Slavery is an economic tool, it goes without saying that there are economic incentives to use slavery. That doesn't mean you get to ignore the racial ideology that was used as a moral justification for the Atlantic slave trade, and the impact that ideology has had on present day society.
    Eloquently put
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    (Original post by darkvibes)
    you moron BLM wasnt even mentioned here.
    I don't give a ****.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    You call people up for not knowing their history then when somebody comes along who does know a thing or two, all you can do is resort to using worn out meme-speak to defensively nitpick at clumsy phrasing while ignoring the meat of the argument. Unless you want to argue against the idea that at the heart of the Atlantic slave trade lay a deeply racist belief system, your post really doesn't bear much impact on mine. Slavery is an economic tool, it goes without saying that there are economic incentives to use slavery. That doesn't mean you get to ignore the racial ideology that was used as a moral justification for the Atlantic slave trade, and the impact that ideology has had on present day society.
    Okay, so you concede that point.

    Of course there were also racial motivations for the slave trade. However, those racial beliefs also held true when we went to great pains to END slavery. So therefore the slave trade wasn't inseparably linked to the slave trade.

    You need to prove a counterfactual theory that whites would not have enslaved blacks if racism were not present. Otherwise your assertion is just an unsubstantiated assertion. I don't know how you'd do that.

    Furthermore, I think it's obvious that anyone enslaving or conquering another race has beliefs of racial superiority, which gives humans the cognitive dissonance required to do these things. For example, the Roman's justifying their conquests in that they were bring civilisation to "barbarians"; there is nothing to support that racial prejudices were only a part of slavery in the transatlantic slave trade. There is no reason to think that only white people had those thought processes. And there is no reason to think that racism came before the economic incentive, rather than the other way around.
 
 
 
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