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    (Original post by NathanW18)
    Probably a lot, because Microsoft got up on the big stage and told people that it was required. Twice. People heard this being said at the Xbox One reveal and E3 and made a decision on which console they wanted. Do not go up on the big stage and tell your potential consumers what they don't want to hear. Even though they reversed their awful policies, a lot of gamers were obviously still angry. Many seem to have gone from the 360 to PS4.

    Microsoft hugely messed up by wasting resources on improving the Kinect. The hardware will now always be inferior to the PS4's and people will continue to bring it up. The price of the consoles is now the same, if you compare the PS4 to the Kinectless Xbone. You're still paying the same price for inferior hardware.
    That statement there is slightly poorly worded. For gaming, ok, improving the kinect didn't really help then, especially considering how most people will only use the mic and not the assorted cameras, but that doesn't mean that it was a waste of resources, the biggest uses of Kinect are external to gaming, after all, and weren't possible with 1.0, but now are because of the improvements. I also expect that it was a different team working on kinect, so saying that not working on kinect would have resulted in a better One is most probably a rather spurious statement.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    That statement there is slightly poorly worded.
    It isn't. Microsoft know how badly the Kinect has been received and for that reason, produced a Kinectless bundle. They told us that would never happen. It has. They will very quietly discontinue the Kinect and will have to write it off as a poor investment.

    I fully expect the Kinect to slowly disappear and for them to produce a cheaper camera. Something that's good enough to use for Skype and the basic voice commands. Microsoft had a good thing going with the 360 and destroyed a lot of their hard work within a short space of time. I believe that many people will not be quick to forget. Things could still change, though. Sony could mess up.

    If they didn't spend the R&D investment and time on the Kinect, they could have used the extra investment and time into improving the hardware. If they matched Sony's hardware, the problems wouldn't be as bad as they are.
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    (Original post by NathanW18)
    It isn't. Microsoft know how badly the Kinect has been received and for that reason, produced a Kinectless bundle. They told us that would never happen. It has. They will very quietly discontinue the Kinect and will have to write it off as a poor investment.

    I fully expect the Kinect to slowly disappear and for them to produce a cheaper camera. Something that's good enough to use for Skype and the basic voice commands. Microsoft had a good thing going with the 360 and destroyed a lot of their hard work within a short space of time. I believe that many people will not be quick to forget. Things could still change, though. Sony could mess up.

    If they didn't spend the R&D investment and time on the Kinect, they could have used the extra investment and time into improving the hardware. If they matched Sony's hardware, the problems wouldn't be as bad as they are.
    Did you even bother reading the rest of the post, because it doesn't look like you did.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Did you even bother reading the rest of the post, because it doesn't look like you did.
    Yes, but it is irrelevant. The Xbox One is supposed to be a gaming console. A lot of gamers don't seem to be interested in the extras. The sales numbers show this. Microsoft's decision to practically ditch the Kinect shows this. All that matters to them are sales numbers. I'm unsure how that suggests it was anything but a poor investment.
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    The point of consoles were never to outclass PC gaming in terms of raw horespower or game quality, they are simply a means of providing a reasonable gaming experience for the masses at a fairly low pricepoint. It's a bit silly to compare a top of the line (at the time) graphics card that cost around 600USD (if memory serves me correct) and compare it to a console that is priced at 400USD that uses midlevel parts, and never aimed to be nothing more and a mid tier gaming platform for people who don't want to spend hundreds more on a gaming rig.

    Even though I play primarily on PC, I must admit that the quality of most exclusives that are on consoles far surpass the quality of most of the exclusives on PC (at least in my opinion), and it is the reason why I bought a ps3 and will buy a ps4 in a few years.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Enter: cloud computing

    Which is becoming more marginal by the day, the difference is £5 on amazon, and 35 if you get the kinect with it. I would rather spend that extra £35 to get a platform with poor performance and plenty of extra stuff on the side over something with poor performance and nothing of note on the side.
    You do raise a good point with cloud computing, I completely forgot about that.

    I wouldn't use the Kinect for anything but voice commands, so I wouldn't buy the Xbox One with Kinect. Although the Xbox One has got some good exclusives that I would love (Halo ), I just prefer most aspects of the PS4.

    I'll just stick to PC gaming.
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    (Original post by NathanW18)
    Yes, but it is irrelevant. The Xbox One is supposed to be a gaming console. A lot of gamers don't seem to be interested in the extras. The sales numbers show this. Microsoft's decision to practically ditch the Kinect shows this. All that matters to them are sales numbers. I'm unsure how that suggests it was anything but a poor investment.
    So, because M$ sell consoles, if they develop something which they release with a console any other use is irrelevant? I'm sure when your life is effected by developments made in the wider world because of the developments made to Kinect 2.0 you might change your mind. Try looking at all uses of something before declaring it a waste of time.
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    (Original post by AstroNandos)
    You do raise a good point with cloud computing, I completely forgot about that.

    I wouldn't use the Kinect for anything but voice commands, so I wouldn't buy the Xbox One with Kinect. Although the Xbox One has got some good exclusives that I would love (Halo ), I just prefer most aspects of the PS4.

    I'll just stick to PC gaming.
    If the price becomes sufficiently low I may splash out on one for Halo (unless 343 REALLY **** it up) and Crackdown etc
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    Ah, this old chestnut from the bores who seem to like benchmarking more than actually playing.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So, because M$ sell consoles, if they develop something which they release with a console any other use is irrelevant? I'm sure when your life is effected by developments made in the wider world because of the developments made to Kinect 2.0 you might change your mind. Try looking at all uses of something before declaring it a waste of time.
    If a lot their consumers don't want it and it sells poorly, yes. Microsoft don't care if a small minority like the Kinect and it is useful to them. They're looking to sell Xbox's and be the market leader. There has been almost double the amount of PS4's sold to Xbone's to date. Irrelevant is probably not the correct word. I stand by my choice of words that it was a poor investment decision.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
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    What are people's thoughts on onboard graphics such as the intel iris pro and whatever AMD comes up to compete with intel.
    With these graphics they can handle most games at medium-high settings even things like bf4 or witcher2.
    That means your average i7 laptop at 600 can run almost all new releases at decent settings.
    And who knows with their future iterations they may make medium level gpus obsolete.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    By that logic, when was the last time anybody made a gaming console?
    The statement was referring to next-gen consoles, Captain Context.

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    (Original post by Al-farhan)
    What are people's thoughts on onboard graphics such as the intel iris pro and whatever AMD comes up to compete with intel.
    With these graphics they can handle most games at medium-high settings even things like bf4 or witcher2.
    That means your average i7 laptop at 600 can run almost all new releases at decent settings.
    And who knows with their future iterations they may make medium level gpus obsolete.
    I know that they can't do bf4 med-high given that current Desktop APUs can't manage it and they will be higher power than laptop alternatives. But that is basically what the consoles are using, super powered APUs. Depending on how low is being counted as "medium level", they're a marketing ploy anyway. Looking up Kaveri, the compute performance is still behind medium level, with a 750Ti having over 50% more Flops, which doesn't directly compare to perfoemce, but for the Kaveri that includes the CPU element, in terms of just the stream cores, 750Ti is almost twice as powerful. The GPU element of the A10-7850K is comparable to a GT730/740. It will always be better to have a CPU and Decent GPU over an APU, or at least for the foreseeable future.
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    (Original post by addylad)
    The statement was referring to next-gen consoles, Captain Context.

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    But the same argument can be applied to all consoles of at least the last few generations. The argument can be used to say that PS4 isn't a gaming console, nor was Ps3 or xbox 360, nor Xbox or Ps2.
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    (Original post by NathanW18)
    If a lot their consumers don't want it and it sells poorly, yes. Microsoft don't care if a small minority like the Kinect and it is useful to them. They're looking to sell Xbox's and be the market leader. There has been almost double the amount of PS4's sold to Xbone's to date. Irrelevant is probably not the correct word. I stand by my choice of words that it was a poor investment decision.
    And Wii U is dominating both of them, does that mean that Wii U is the best?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    And Wii U is dominating both of them, does that mean that Wii U is the best?
    The Wii U isn't dominating the PS4. It had a large increase in sales when Mario Kart 8 released. It's still 2nd place by over 2 million units.

    I'm not saying the highest console sales means it's the best console. The Wii was a vastly inferior console and sold more units than the PS3 and 360. I'm just saying that Sony's, Microsoft's and Nintendo's main focus will be on sales numbers.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    But the same argument can be applied to all consoles of at least the last few generations. The argument can be used to say that PS4 isn't a gaming console, nor was Ps3 or xbox 360, nor Xbox or Ps2.
    Indeed, and there hasn't been a next-gen console on the list you gave. Which is why anyone wanting to stay at the forefront should buy a PC.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I know that they can't do bf4 med-high given that current Desktop APUs can't manage it and they will be higher power than laptop alternatives. But that is basically what the consoles are using, super powered APUs. Depending on how low is being counted as "medium level", they're a marketing ploy anyway. Looking up Kaveri, the compute performance is still behind medium level, with a 750Ti having over 50% more Flops, which doesn't directly compare to perfoemce, but for the Kaveri that includes the CPU element, in terms of just the stream cores, 750Ti is almost twice as powerful. The GPU element of the A10-7850K is comparable to a GT730/740. It will always be better to have a CPU and Decent GPU over an APU, or at least for the foreseeable future.
    Well I'm not too aware of the numbers or performance details but according to the video below the iris pro (dont know about the kaveri) can run bf4 at medium settings with some vsync:


    and they are running it on a Brix a small cube pc

    and you could get this Brix at around 600 US dollars around 400 pounds?!!
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    (Original post by TSA)
    First of all it's not next-gen anymore it is current-gen. Secondly, most people don't have the time, expertise or money to buy a gaming PC. Thirdly not many people are that fussed about how powerful it is, as long it can play game at a reasonable resolution and frame rate what is the issue?

    Goddamn PC fanboys.
    Yes, current gen being from 2013. And the GPU is worse than what was around in 2010.
    If you aren't fussed about how powerful it is, why even have a new gen of consoles?
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    (Original post by Bulbasaur)
    Yes, current gen being from 2013. And the GPU is worse than what was around in 2010.
    If you aren't fussed about how powerful it is, why even have a new gen of consoles?
    I don't.
 
 
 
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