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Non-vocational degrees - worthless?

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Reply 40
I'm gonna study pure science in September and I know exactly where I want to go with it. Not all non-voc degrees are pointless.
Original post by Sulphur
I didn't mean to imply that there was, there are many avenues of physics that one can choose to pursue, pure theory being one of those. My post was more about voicing my disagreement towards the assumption that engineers are not as competent as physicists.

I don't see how anyone can disagree that engineering and physics are different degrees, they teach people different skills. As such, I highly doubt a graduate physicists is able to hop into an engineering role and perform well, in the same way that an engineer is not able to perform the role of physicist.

With further study sure, one can become competent in both fields but I presumed this discussion to be around the abilities of a graduate.



Wouldn't complex engineering projects (Quantum computers, new computer chips, spaceships [eg. NASA], etc.) require engineers, physicists, mathematicians, computer scientists, etc. anyway?
Reply 42
Original post by crunchychips
Wouldn't complex engineering projects (Quantum computers, new computer chips, spaceships [eg. NASA], etc.) require engineers, physicists, mathematicians, computer scientists, etc. anyway?


I would assume so.

Anyways, I wasn't arguing for lack of employment for physicists I would have thought they'd both have their common and niche markets.
Reply 43
Original post by Fortitude
Aren't most degrees non-vocational? Besides from what I've heard/read most employers don't really care much about the subject your degree is in (within reason of course) because academic degrees don't give you the specific skills required for the job but they do give you the all important transferable skills which will be useful. Also having a degree now is common hence a lot of jobs require one (whether it's needed or not) therefore by not having a degree, someone might be limiting themselves to the type/number of jobs they can apply for. Also I think a lot of people aged 16-19 won't know what job/career they'd want so doesn't it make sense that they choose to leave their options open by completing an academic degree? Please correct me If I've said anything wrong as I'm not even at Uni so this is basically what I think so I'd be grateful if someone could tell me whether what I've written is just nonsense or not :smile:


Completely agree. I knew I wanted to be a teacher, but without having tried it I could have completely changed my mind, or turned out to be awful at it! Also, I can't predict the future of our education system so might want to change careers one day.

For this reason I chose to do maths (and mostly pure maths at that) then post-grad teacher training, as I felt it would keep my options much more open and provide me with access to lots of careers should I choose. Not that you couldn't present skills from an education degree/teaching as relevant to lots of careers, but maths is very open and I like it :smile:

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Original post by kpwxx
Completely agree. I knew I wanted to be a teacher, but without having tried it I could have completely changed my mind, or turned out to be awful at it! Also, I can't predict the future of our education system so might want to change careers one day.

For this reason I chose to do maths (and mostly pure maths at that) then post-grad teacher training, as I felt it would keep my options much more open and provide me with access to lots of careers should I choose. Not that you couldn't present skills from an education degree/teaching as relevant to lots of careers, but maths is very open and I like it :smile:

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Nice to know someone agrees :biggrin: But anyway I wish you the best of luck & hope that you go onto become an amazing teacher!!:smile:
Original post by kpwxx
Completely agree. I knew I wanted to be a teacher, but without having tried it I could have completely changed my mind, or turned out to be awful at it! Also, I can't predict the future of our education system so might want to change careers one day.

For this reason I chose to do maths (and mostly pure maths at that) then post-grad teacher training, as I felt it would keep my options much more open and provide me with access to lots of careers should I choose. Not that you couldn't present skills from an education degree/teaching as relevant to lots of careers, but maths is very open and I like it :smile:

xxx


I agree. I did a biology degree followed by a PGCE. This keeps my options open, but also I needed a subject degree in order to teach.


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Original post by Fortitude
Aren't most degrees non-vocational? Besides from what I've heard/read most employers don't really care much about the subject your degree is in (within reason of course) because academic degrees don't give you the specific skills required for the job but they do give you the all important transferable skills which will be useful. Also having a degree now is common hence a lot of jobs require one (whether it's needed or not) therefore by not having a degree, someone might be limiting themselves to the type/number of jobs they can apply for. Also I think a lot of people aged 16-19 won't know what job/career they'd want so doesn't it make sense that they choose to leave their options open by completing an academic degree? Please correct me If I've said anything wrong as I'm not even at Uni so this is basically what I think so I'd be grateful if someone could tell me whether what I've written is just nonsense or not :smile:


Yes, you're pretty much spot on. A minority of graduates actually go into the fields they studied (this does vary by subject), the vast majority end up in non-specialist employment. Most employers in such fields typically aren't especially concerned if the degree is in anthropology, physics, geology or chemistry, or where it came from, you just have to have one to get into the interview (in an increasing number of jobs). As you said, this is because having a degree is fairly standard these days. Once you're in the interview, they're less bothered about your degree and more bothered about you as a person.

So in that sense, a degree is probably more important now than it ever was before, regardless of whether it's 'vocational' or not.
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