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Partial fractions

If we had:

9x427x32x2+26x+35(Ax+b)(3x+1)(x2)2... 9x^4 - 27x^3 - 2x^2 + 26x + 35 \equiv (Ax+b)(3x+1)(x-2)^2 ... and we were comparing coefficients to get A and B
I understand why A is 3 but I don't understand how they got

-27 = 3B - 12A + A, did they multiply out the brackets and add the x^3 terms or is there another way?

Thanks :biggrin:

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Reply 1
Original post by Secret.
If we had:

9x427x32x2+26x+35(Ax+b)(3x+1)(x2)2... 9x^4 - 27x^3 - 2x^2 + 26x + 35 \equiv (Ax+b)(3x+1)(x-2)^2 ... and we were comparing coefficients to get A and B
I understand why A is 3 but I don't understand how they got

-27 = 3B - 12A + A, did they multiply out the brackets and add the x^3 terms or is there another way?

Thanks :biggrin:


That is exactly what they did - that is what comparing coefficients does
Reply 2
Original post by TenOfThem
That is exactly what they did - that is what comparing coefficients does



So if I multiply out e.g. the (x2)2 (x-2)^2 do I still multiply the 4x term from that with two other x terms to get another x^3 term? Sorry if that's worded badly I'll try clarify if it is
Reply 3
Original post by Secret.
So if I multiply out e.g. the (x2)2 (x-2)^2 do I still multiply the 4x term from that with two other x terms to get another x^3 term? Sorry if that's worded badly I'll try clarify if it is


yes you do (if I read correctly)
Reply 4
Original post by TenOfThem
yes you do (if I read correctly)


Oh okay thanks! (I need to get faster at expanding, this would take me quite some time in an exam making sure I don't make any errors :tongue:)
Reply 5
Original post by Secret.
Oh okay thanks! (I need to get faster at expanding, this would take me quite some time in an exam making sure I don't make any errors :tongue:)


First
Square the (x-2)
Multiply the 2 linears
You know what you are expecting

Then
Multiply the 2 quadratics
You know that you have 3 terms by 3 terms so you know you are looking for 9 terms

I tend to multiply be the first term
Then when multiplying by the second term write those elements under the other line matching terms
etc

The makes things easier to see
Reply 6
Original post by TenOfThem
First
Square the (x-2)
Multiply the 2 linears
You know what you are expecting

Then
Multiply the 2 quadratics
You know that you have 3 terms by 3 terms so you know you are looking for 9 terms

I tend to multiply be the first term
Then when multiplying by the second term write those elements under the other line matching terms
etc

The makes things easier to see



Isn't the (x-2) already squared? Do In square them again?
Reply 7
Original post by Secret.
Isn't the (x-2) already squared? Do In square them again?


You have lost me

I was trying to help you with a systematic approach to expansion
Reply 8
Original post by TenOfThem
You have lost me

I was trying to help you with a systematic approach to expansion



Where you wrote first square the (x-2) isn't that already squared?
Reply 9
Original post by Secret.
Where you wrote first square the (x-2) isn't that already squared?


I do not know what you are asking me

Clearly (x-2) has not yet been squared
Reply 10
Original post by TenOfThem
I do not know what you are asking me

Clearly (x-2) has not yet been squared



So which (x-2) am I squaring?
Original post by TenOfThem
That is exactly what they did - that is what comparing coefficients does


That gives b=2 but putting x=0 gives b=35/4. How is this?
Original post by Secret.
So which (x-2) am I squaring?


I am still not sure what the issue is

You have (x2)2(x-2)^2
Original post by brianeverit
That gives b=2 but putting x=0 gives b=35/4. How is this?


Given the OP seemed to be quoting the text I just assumed that it was correct
Reply 14
Original post by brianeverit
That gives b=2 but putting x=0 gives b=35/4. How is this?



The worked example gives what I quoted and b = 2 :O

is the working out incorrect?
(edited 10 years ago)
Original post by Secret.
The worked example gives what I quoted and b = 2 :O

is the working out incorrect?


The question is completely wrong

(x-2) is not even a factor

Neither is (3x+1)
(edited 10 years ago)
Reply 16
Original post by TenOfThem
The question is completely wrong

(x-2) is not even a factor

Neither is (3x+1)



Ohh, they somehow still managed to give the solutions:

They gave
A = 3
B = 2
C = 5
D = 1
E = -3
:s-smilie:

Thanks for the help! :biggrin:
Original post by Secret.
Ohh, they somehow still managed to give the solutions:

They gave
A = 3
B = 2
C = 5
D = 1
E = -3


Is that a COMPLETELY different question

You have no C, D, or E in your question in the OP
Reply 18
Original post by TenOfThem
Is that a COMPLETELY different question

You have no C, D, or E in your question in the OP



Ohh sorry I think I've confused everything :tongue:

I didn't post the original question, I posted part of the working out because I wanted to clarify how to work out B, I didn't think the rest of it would have mattered

Original question was:

9x427x32x3+26x+35(x2)2(3x+1) \frac{9x^4 - 27x^3 - 2x^3 + 26x +35}{(x-2)^2 (3x+1)}


We only need the part I posted in the OP to work out B right?
(edited 10 years ago)
Original post by Secret.
Ohh sorry I think I've confused everything :tongue:

I didn't post the original question, I posted part of the working out because I wanted to clarify how to work out B, I didn't think the rest of it would have mattered

Original question was:

9x427x32x3+26x+35(x2)2(3x+1) \frac{9x^4 - 27x^3 - 2x^3 + 26x +35}{(x-2)^2 (3x+1)}


I am going to pretend that this thread does not exist

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