how does one say "penchant" and "homage"?

As do I like to pronounce things correctly...and yeah that is pretty funny...(tbh, I can't see how she got the Dwar sound from those combination of letters!)...just your initial post was a little irate. Besides, some pronunciations are ambiguous, and X, Y and Z won't pronounce them all exactly the same. This doesn't bother me, as long as you can understand what they are saying. Although I appreciate the effort you go to.

If you don't feel comfy then say "I'm really into trains" or "I'm really interested in trains" or "He has a fetish for fatties". Also, say "I'm paying tribute to..." instead of homage.

You mean penchant

Well, I spend a lot of time presenting to large groups of people in a corporate environment, and I think it's worth finding out how to pronounce words correctly, especially considering the audience. If I say a word in an American way e.g. router which they tend to say as "rowter" rather than "rooter" which is preferred in the UK, to a UK audience, then it tends to get people's backs up, and alienates you from the audience.

There's pronounciation guides in the OED, on websites (careful - as someone pointed out, they're often American based e.g. neutron - nootrawn) and just asking someone. Additionally, where we borrow from a language where there isn't a equivalent in English then it makes sense to say that word in its original language where possible. E.g. Schadenfreude is a brilliant word, and if someone said to me "shaddenfrood" then I'd be wondering what the hell you were talking about.

? Homage means to pay tribute to.

There's pronounciation guides in the OED, on websites (careful - as someone pointed out, they're often American based e.g. neutron - nootrawn) and just asking someone.

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/homage?view=uk

homage

/hommij/

• noun honour or respect shown publicly.

— ORIGIN Old French, from Latin homo ‘man’; in medieval times the word denoted the ceremony by which a vassal declared himself to be his feudal lord’s ‘man’.


i dont care if people want to overpronunciate. its them thinking they are given a licence to mock others (and apparently telling people to do more "research") for not following their way of thinking that pisses me off, especially when they're in the wrong.

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/homage?view=uk
homage
/hommij/
• noun honour or respect shown publicly.
— ORIGIN Old French, from Latin homo ‘man’; in medieval times the word denoted the ceremony by which a vassal declared himself to be his feudal lord’s ‘man’.
I dont care if people want to overpronunciate. its them thinking they are given a licence to mock others (and apparently telling people to do more "research") for not following their way of thinking that pisses me off, especially when they're in the wrong.

I thought it meant a tribute.

The OED defines words and gives one of two possible pronunciations; there is no such concept as a proper pronunciation. There are a range of different British English accents and the OED does not (and cannot) attempt to cover them all.

Not sure if it was in this thread that I mentioned this, but the OED is a guide, not an authority. Thus you cannot use it to prove your point to 100%.

I'd say hom-ij and pen-shant rather than om-aje or ponshon. Pronouncing it the latter way just smacks of pretention. We've borrowed many words from french and for the most part we don't pronounce them in the french way (with the exception of niche, cliché etc) so it's perfectly natural to anglicise them.

However we can agree that you say tree with a tr and an ee sound with the guide of the IPA. Hence, pronounciation guides assist greatly.

whats the point of having a guide, from a rather respected source if i may add, if you're going to do it the way you THINK it ought to be.


what's your justification for pronouncing it the french way then? because they had french roots? they may have been derived from french but they're not french in themselves. the dictionary said it was old french, so the french may not even use it anymore, hence no "properly french" contemporary pronounciation to compare it to.

No, we do not agree. I could pronounce tree as "tray". Where is the "ee" sound there?

you'd mock someone who says "pen-shent" just because you've never heard of it? you sound like a upperclass wannabe hillbilly snob. an ignorant one at that as well.

edit: i may have touched some major posh-wannabe-knowitall-17yrolds nerves with this post. brilliant.

You might as well have asked whether we say 'house' or 'toilet', for how ambiguous that was.

'Nougat' is pronounced 'noo-gaa'; 'nugget' is pronounced 'nuh-gut'. Conflating the two would be imbecilic: they're not even homophones, let alone homonyms.