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Hi. This question is from an OCR MEI paper- Q8 iii.June 2012.

To find theta, in Part iii, you have to use the direction vectors of A'B and AB and then use the dot product but I'm confused as to why these vectors produce theta? Why wouldn't they make the angle ABA'?

Thank you :h:
Original post by karmacrunch
Hi. This question is from an OCR MEI paper- Q8 iii.June 2012.

To find theta, in Part iii, you have to use the direction vectors of A'B and AB and then use the dot product but I'm confused as to why these vectors produce theta? Why wouldn't they make the angle ABA'?

Thank you :h:


A'BC is a straight line, so the lines A'B and BC will have the same direction vectors.
Original post by ghostwalker
A'BC is a straight line, so the lines A'B and BC will have the same direction vectors.


Oh, yes! That makes much more sense now!! Thank you!

Also, sorry to bug you, if I wanted to find the angle ABA' (just using vectors), would I use the direction vectors AB and BA'?
Original post by karmacrunch
Oh, yes! That makes much more sense now!! Thank you!

Also, sorry to bug you, if I wanted to find the angle ABA' (just using vectors), would I use the direction vectors AB and BA'?


You'd want BA and BA'. Both vectors most come out of the angle, or both must go into the angle; you can't mix one of each.
Original post by ghostwalker
You'd want BA and BA'. Both vectors most come out of the angle, or both must go into the angle; you can't mix one of each.


I understand that but then where I'm actually working out theta, I've used AB and A'B (A'B being equivalent to BC), which goes in and then out of the angle? Does that mean that the mark scheme's wrong or is A'B equivalent to CB?

I'm sorry, I'm actually very confused about the directions!
Original post by karmacrunch
I understand that but then where I'm actually working out theta, I've used AB and A'B (A'B being equivalent to BC), which goes in and then out of the angle? Does that mean that the mark scheme's wrong or is A'B equivalent to CB?

I'm sorry, I'm actually very confused about the directions!


The vector A'B is (-2,-1,1), and this is a vector in the same direction as BC

The vector BA is (1,-1,2).

And these are the two vectors used in the mark scheme.

Are you sure you used AB? (-1,1,-2)
Original post by ghostwalker
The vector A'B is (-2,-1,1), and this is a vector in the same direction as BC

The vector BA is (1,-1,2).

And these are the two vectors used in the mark scheme.

Are you sure you used AB? (-1,1,-2)


So I've just double checked. I used the direction vector in r thinking it was AB because the vector equation of a line is r =OA + uAB but in the equation, the direction vector is actually BA.

I tried it again with the actual AB (-1,1,-2) and I got the answer wrong so the answer actually uses BA and A'B NOT AB and A'B like I thought earlier. Okay... You must think I'm insane but I understand what's happening now! BA goes out and A'B (BC) goes out so we can calculate theta! :biggrin:

And then for ABA', I can use BA (goes outwards) and B'A (goes outwards) or AB (goes inwards) and A'B (goes inwards)!!

Thank you very much!
Original post by karmacrunch

And then for ABA', I can use BA (goes outwards) and BA' (goes outwards) or AB (goes inwards) and A'B (goes inwards)!!


Yep - you got it.

Corrected, presumed typo on your part.

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