Iran Shoots Down RQ-4 BAMS-D $150m Drone near Persian Gulf Watch

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Totally expected and only fair if USA entered Iran's airspace illegally. The USA would do exactly the same to any unauthorised drone entering its air territory.
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nobody in here has claimed it is a false flag attack yet :flute:
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Iran has pledged to prove that the US is lying when it claims the RQ-4 drone was flying in international airspace when it was shot down by Iran:

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Everyone spies on everyone. If the aircraft was in international airspace then it's legal. What do you think the Russians are doing to the UK when they send over their Bears and Blackjacks to probe UK airspace? We haven't shot them down.
This is definitely the reality. Countries spy on each other, so people shouldn't be too suprised that the US is spying on Iran.

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nobody in here has claimed it is a false flag attack yet :flute:
Well considering that Iran is saying that they have shot down a drone, there is no reason for people to believe it is a false flag attack.

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Iran has pledged to prove that the US is lying when it claims the RQ-4 drone was flying in international airspace when it was shot down by Iran:

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More pointless rhetoric made by Iran.
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here is the type of drone which the mad mullahs shot down today:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9gwGhSWwAAEBWY.png:large

it is enormous !!
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(Original post by the bear)
here is the type of drone which Iran shot down today:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9gwGhSWwAAEBWY.png:large

it is enormous !!
With a wingspan of 40m it is the largest and (likely) most expensive drone in the world.
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here is the type of drone which the mad mullahs shot down today:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9gwGhSWwAAEBWY.png:large

it is enormous !!
Yeah. The officer in charge of that drone will get his ass whooped.
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UPDATE:

When asked by reporters if the US will "strike back"/attack Iran, Trump has just said: "you'll soon find out".


https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1141744229410115585
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Iran has officially filed a complaint against the US at the UN for the US drone allegedly violating Iranian airspace.


President Trump has said that Iran might have mistakenly shot down the drone: "I find it hard to believe it was intentional". (The climbdown begins already?)
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Interestingly it seems that the US flies the same series of drones near Russia, but keeps its transponders on... Perhaps to avoid them being mistaken as a threat and shot down?

One theory is that they were trying to hide the location of the drone from the public, not from Iran. Iran has radars that can track these drones regardless of their transponders, but because their transponders were off the public does not have access to its location.
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Can you please explain what is meant by constant attacks from israel?
and why iran is at risk from israel?
i am really confused by the whole situation to be honest
To name one, Isreals/mosad attacks IN iran, with antrax to and they did, kill scientist; they claimed these scientist were helping form a nuke, which the world doubted. Isreal also has NUKES, and is the only country openly willing to admit a strike first policy, they have already said, they will take out any country that gets close to forming nukes in the region... and have clearly shown theyre willing to back those threats, in a few countires in the region. I could go on, but you do your own research ( youll learn better that way then me spoon feeding you a few facts i remember ), i aint got the time as well, to talk of the attacks IN IRAN, and the proxy wars. Both sides do have some blame, but isreal is clearly the more aggressive person in the region ( also run rn by far-right/right wing government ) and has a 100 nukes min.

Also the last time iran invaded ANYONE was 100's of years ago, they have shown for 100's, theyre not willing to find an offensive war, were as america and isreal ....... have a dubious record at best. since both on them were created IRAN has only fought war againt people INVADING THEM, this aint pre 2001-IRAQ people, it isnt run by the ex-western mad dog saddam and hasnt started a ton of offensive war in the last 30 years. claims that iranis aggressive won't work here.

I doubt a war will happen... But i think if any country needs a nuke for a deterrent, at the current time, itll be IRAN ( It has the world embargoing it; since its revolutionary birth or better said whole modern existant, it has 2 major powers in the region that hate it, S.A and Isreal and a superpower.. ), will they build a nuke ? probably not sadly . Are they anywhere close ? not even.
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Yeah. The officer in charge of that drone will get his ass whooped.
Another reason why I very much doubt the RPAS was in Iranian airspace. Despite what Hollywood and the press may sometimes think, armed forces can be rather risk-averse; if you c*ck up a something big, your career will pretty much be over, at the very least.

No way is anyone signing off such as expensive asset flying over Iran when an MQ-1/MQ-9 could have caused a similar incident. Whereas if the Yanks were trying to spy on Iran within their airspace, they'd use a VLO aircraft.
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So tell us what happened to the operator of the RQ-170 that strayed 100km into Iranian territory?

Or the captain of the USS Vincennes that shot down a civilian airliner whilst illegally in Iranian territorial waters, killing 300 civilians? His career would definitely be over, right? Wrong: he got a medal for his service!
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Another reason why I very much doubt the RPAS was in Iranian airspace. Despite what Hollywood and the press may sometimes think, armed forces can be rather risk-averse; if you c*ck up a something big, your career will pretty much be over, at the very least.
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So tell us what happened to the operator of the RQ-170 that strayed 100km into Iranian territory?
Thank you for proving my point - the RQ-170 is a VLO RPAS. The RQ-4 is an airliner size aircraft that isn't designed to enter contested airspace.
Logically, no way was it sent into Iranian airspace when there's known threats there, especially considering the Iranians shot at an MQ-9 a week ago.
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BREAKING: Iran has announced the exact co-ordinates where it argues the RQ-4 was intercepted in Iranian airspace. Even more importantly, Iran announced that it has "retrieved sections of the US military drone in OUR territorial waters where it was shot down".

Haven't heard anything about the US finding any wreckage, so I guess Iran won the race to the wreckage just as they won the race to the mine a few days ago.
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Thank you for proving my point - the RQ-170 is a VLO RPAS. The RQ-4 is an airliner size aircraft that isn't designed to enter contested airspace.
Logically, no way was it sent into Iranian airspace when there's known threats there, especially considering the Iranians shot at an MQ-9 a week ago.
You didn't reply to USS Vincennes captain getting a medal for killing 300 civilians after illegally entering Iranian territorial waters, was his career "over"? :rolleyes:

RQ-4 is supposed to evade interception via high altitude flight. Guess they underestimated Iran's AD capability. Interesting you mention the MQ-9 - they mentioned in their report that the interceptor missile missed, perhaps that lulled them into a false sense of security.

They use transponders when they fly near Russia, I think they will do the same when they fly near Iran in the future.
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Iran has revealed an animation infographic video of the US RQ'4 drone's flight path from launch in the UAE to interception in Iran's territorial airspace, interesting watch:

https://twitter.com/PressTV/status/1141758415812931584
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(Original post by Tempest II)
Another reason why I very much doubt the RPAS was in Iranian airspace. Despite what Hollywood and the press may sometimes think, armed forces can be rather risk-averse; if you c*ck up a something big, your career will pretty much be over, at the very least.

No way is anyone signing off such as expensive asset flying over Iran when an MQ-1/MQ-9 could have caused a similar incident. Whereas if the Yanks were trying to spy on Iran within their airspace, they'd use a VLO aircraft.
it was in their air space, It makes Logical sense ; most people can put 2+2 together here mate( since iran isnt stupid enough to start a war... ) and the amount of evidence that been provided and is being provoided proves it ( won't even mention the fact americas clearly pushing for worse relations here )....do you need a confession from the US drone operator before you accept the US violated Irans airspace and had a drone shot down.
your provide no evidence of why the drone was in International air-space and your arguements are weak/non-existant... mostly they would have used a cheaper drone .... what ??
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it was in their air space, It makes Logical sense ; most people can put 2+2 together here mate( since iran isnt stupid enough to start a war... ) and the amount of evidence that been provided and is being provoided proves it ( won't even mention the fact americas clearly pushing for worse relations here )....do you need a confession from the US drone operator before you accept the US violated Irans airspace and had a drone shot down.
your provide no evidence of why the drone was in International air-space and your arguements are weak/non-existant... mostly they would have used a cheaper drone .... what ??
The irony.
Do you believe all the stuff Iran comes out with?
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I very much doubt the Iranians are telling the truth regarding it being in Iranian airspace. Logically, why would the US fly one of their bigger, more expensive RPAS (without VLO capabilities) over Iran at the current time? If the US wanted to provoke Iran, they could have used MQ-1s or MQ-9s which there are far more of in the US arsenal and are relatively cheap.
Why not? The US have a long history of flying drones over other peoples territory for recon or attacking purposes. Why should we assume this to be any different?
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From what I see, the US can be blamed for pulling out of the nuclear deal. But since then, Iran has been pushing its proxies in Iraq against Coalition forces,
Allegedly... But not an unreasonable position to take seeing as the Americans should be in Iraq to start with, no?
attacked tankers both in port and the Strait of Hormuz,
I dont recall seeing any evidence of that yet?
attempted to shoot down an MQ-9 and have now shot down an RQ-4 - both that were in international waters.
In its airspace... You fly a UCAV or Spy drone over someones land they have absolutely every right to shoot it down.

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(Original post by Palmyra)
BREAKING: Iran has announced the exact co-ordinates where it argues the RQ-4 was intercepted in Iranian airspace. Even more importantly, Iran announced that it has "retrieved sections of the US military drone in OUR territorial waters where it was shot down".

Haven't heard anything about the US finding any wreckage, so I guess Iran won the race to the wreckage just as they won the race to the mine a few days ago.

You didn't reply to USS Vincennes captain getting a medal for killing 300 civilians after illegally entering Iranian territorial waters, was his career "over"? :rolleyes:

RQ-4 is supposed to evade interception via high altitude flight. Guess they underestimated Iran's AD capability. Interesting you mention the MQ-9 - they mentioned in their report that the interceptor missile missed, perhaps that lulled them into a false sense of security.

They use transponders when they fly near Russia, I think they will do the same when they fly near Iran in the future.
The captain getting a medal after downing the airliner was ridiculous, but that was over 30 years ago... And you've got to look at in context - who was attacking shipping back in the 1980s? Both Iraq and Iran targeted tankers and USN ships.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Will

I'm inclined to believe that the RQ-4 was in international airspace and that perhaps the US didn't believe Iran would be foolish enough to target it in international airspace? After all, Iran seems to be claiming that it doesn't want war yet also is carrying out attacks on tankers and RPAS. Almost like... I don't know... The Pasdaran are operating off the reservation?
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