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weflycars


Then it's regionism, either way that post was stupid and lacked any purpose

the whole purpose was to tell the OP that afghans are not terrists but pakistanis are and i think i got the point across
sahil112
the whole purpose was to tell the OP that afghans are not terrists but pakistanis are and i think i got the point across


There are better ways of doing it than going on a long rant which makes you look like an overly emotive :santa2::santa2::santa2::santa2: (no offense)..
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weflycars
I think you'll find I do.. I know people who were there at the time, both muslims and Hindus, so yeahh I think I got a pretty good picture..


1. It was triggered by the burning of a train in/leaving Grodha. 53 hindu Pilgrims dead.

2. estimated 2000 muslims were killed later on by the mob (hindu) in Gujrat and the police did nothing to prevent it. The families were burned within their houses.

comment: The correct thing would have been to arrest those who burned the train and punish them. why kill innocent Muslims for their actions?
weflycars
There are better ways of doing it than going on a long rant which makes you look like an overly emotive :santa2::santa2::santa2::santa2: (no offense)..

sorry then next time il use sources
Vegitto
1. It was triggered by the burning of a train in/leaving Grodha. 53 hindu Pilgrims dead.

2. estimated 2000 muslims were killed later on by the mob (hindu) in Gujrat and the police did nothing to prevent it. The families were burned within their houses.

comment: The correct thing would have been to arrest those who burned the train and punish them. why kill innocent Muslims for their actions?


Why kill innocent Hindus for no reason though?
The killing of innocent muslims wasn't intentional - in any scenario like this, some innoccent bystanders are going to get killed.
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Vegitto
1. It was triggered by the burning of a train in/leaving Grodha. 53 hindu Pilgrims dead.

2. estimated 2000 muslims were killed later on by the mob (hindu) in Gujrat and the police did nothing to prevent it. The families were burned within their houses.

comment: The correct thing would have been to arrest those who burned the train and punish them. why kill innocent Muslims for their actions?


Yes... :yep:
Well why did the september 11 terrorists kill innocent americans in the twin towers... :no:
Reply 108
Arka
The Guardian! :yep:

Revealed: home of Mumbai's gunman in Pakistan village

'Since the terrorist attacks in Mumbai 10 days ago, speculation has been rife about the birthplace of the lone surviving gunman, Ajmal Amir Kasab. India and Pakistan have clashed over reports that he came from the Punjab. Saeed Shah, after spending days travelling throughout the region, tracked down the killer's home - and his grandfather - and found conclusive proof of his identity...'


Your article is a touch out-dated.

India has so far failed to provide evidence to Interpol which would link Kasab to Pakistan. http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14824401

Btw, that source is Indian itself.
It's a source nonetheless and addresses a relevant point
And how exactly is 12months outdated?!?!
insanetothebrain
Why kill innocent Hindus for no reason though?


Rosh_123
Well why did the september 11 terrorists kill innocent americans in the twin towers... :no:


This is the wrong way to go about it, the killing of any innocents is wrong..

There were innocent Hindus as well as muslims killed during the riots, though there were more muslims killed cause they caused majority of the violence.. the BJP were in power at the time which made it worse for the muslims..
This is the wrong way to go about it, the killing of any innocents is wrong
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I never said it's right. I'm just stating what happens in reality.
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insanetothebrain
Why kill innocent Hindus for no reason though?


Did I say it was right? No.

Does it mean that it can be used as a justification for the massacre and rape of the Muslims of Gujarat? No.

Both Incidents were unfortunate. But the killings of Muslims AS A REACTION to Grodha were unjustified and unacceptable.
Vegitto
Did I say it was right? No.

Does it mean that it can be used as a justification for the massacre and rape of the Muslims of Gujarat? No.

Both Incidents were unfortunate. But the killings of Muslims AS A REACTION to Grodha were unjustified and unacceptable.


Yeah but the random killing of Hindus in the train at Godhra was unjustified and unnaceptable.
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Vegitto
Your article is a touch out-dated.

India has so far failed to provide evidence to Interpol which would link Kasab to Pakistan. http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14824401

Btw, that source is Indian itself.


You have insider knowledge Vegitto?
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insanetothebrain
Yeah but the random killing of Hindus in the train at Godhra was unjustified and unnaceptable.


Agreed. both actions were unacceptable. Every one who have even a drop of humanity in them would condemn both acts. let us leave it to that on the issue of Gujarat.
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Vegitto
Agreed. both actions were unacceptable. Every one who have even a drop of humanity in them would condemn both acts. let us leave it to that on the issue of Gujarat.


Personally,I don't know what to think..... :hmmmm2:
Reply 118
Arka
You have insider knowledge Vegitto?


lol if sarcasm

if not then I just pay close attention to all media outlets before coming to a conclusion. I mainly prefer to read Indian news on the internet since you need to know what their point of view is. I acknowledge that Pakistani media would be biased in presenting certain aspects of the situation.

This is a nice blog which highlighted the discrepancies in the reporting of the attack by media outlets. (http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2008/...nman-ajmal.html) below is the relevant information.

The Indian authorities claim that they have in custody one of the Mumbai gunmen responsible for the November 2008 attacks.

This 21 year old 'gunman' is Mohammad Ajmal Amir Iman, also known as Kasav, Qasab, Kamal, Kasab, Qasab, Qasam, Kasab, Kasar, and Kamaal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajmal_Amir)

Ajmal Amir seems to be being used to disguise the false-flag nature of the Mumbai Attacks.

The reports about Ajmal Amir are contradictory and confusing.

1. One moment we are told he stayed for several days at the Taj Hotel; the next moment we are told he got straight off a boat and started a killing spree.

(NDTV.com: Terrorists stayed in room 630, had many visitors)

2. There are reports that he had bullet wounds and reports that he did not have bullet wounds.
(No bullet hit Kasab, no active treatment on, says hospital's dean)

3. There are reports that one of his fellow gunmen was arrested at Cana Hospital and reports suggesting that nobody was arrested there.

(According to the BBC: "2120-2200: Gunmen raid the Cama and Albless Hospital ... One attacker is captured here." - (BBC NEWS South Asia Timeline: Mumbai under attack)

4. There are reports that Ajmal Amir speaks fluent English and reports that he is a rather illiterate and poorly educated criminal.

5. We are told that 8 gunmen were arrested and then we are told that only Ajmal Amir was arrested.

(“The Maharashtra Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh told Associated Press that two British-born Pakistanis were among the eight gunmen arrested by Indian authorities.” - Four Mumbai terrorists ‘had links with Britain’)

6. We are told that the gunmen at the railway station and elsewhere were white men and yet Ajmal Amir is reportedly from Pakistan.

(BBC NEWS Mumbai attackers create 'killing zone' / Mumbai Attackers were 'Hindus' and 'White Men' )

7. We are told that the gunmen who shot Karkare spoke Marathi and then we are told that it was Ajmal Amir and his Pakistani friend who shot Karkare.

(The Marathi daily 'Maharashtra Times' said the terrorists who targeted Anti Terrorism Squad chief Hemant Karkare were speaking Marathi fluently. (i.e. they were not from Pakistan) Reportedly, traditional Jews from Mumbai, who have migrated to Israel, speak fluent Marathi and are known to have been recruited by Mossad.)

There is doubt, therefore, that Ajmal Amir did the shooting that he is supposed to have done.

At what point may Ajmal Amir have been recruited by people from some group, such as Lashkar-e Taiba, who work for the CIA or Mossad or RAW or ISI or MI6?

Lashkar-e Taiba (LeT) took part in the Bosnian War against Serbia. (http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/lashkar_e_toiba.htm)

LeT is the Moslem group, operating in Jammu and Kashmir, that has been blamed for the Mumbai Attacks.

LeT reportedly has links to the Pakistan and UK intelligence services. (US and UK links to the terrorists in India and Pakistan)

Reportedly:

Ajmal Amir is from a poor family in a poor village called Faridkot in Pakistan.

He went to school until age 13.

He left home after a fight with his father in 2005.

He then became involved in petty crime with his friend Muzaffar Lal Khan, soon moving on to armed robbery.

Reportedly, the security services like to employ criminals to do their dirty work.

In 2007, in Rawalpindi, Ajmal Amir and his friend decided to sign up for training with Lashkar-e-Taiba, ending up at their base camp, Markaz Taiba.

Initial reports suggested Ajmal Amir was fluent in English, and from a middle class background. (Father of gunman, Amir, 'paid by terrorists to hand him over')

Some sources said his father asked him to join Lashkar-e-Taiba so that he could use the money they gave him to run the family (Kasab says his father sent him to LeT )

Ajmal Amir is alleged to be among a group of 24 men who received training in marine warfare at a remote camp in mountainous Muzaffarabad in Pakistani-controlled Azad Kashmir. Part of the training is reported to have taken place on the Mangla Dam reservoir. (Rumours abound as inquiry begins its search for truth")

Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, a senior commander of the Lashkar-e-Taiba, reportedly offered to pay his family Rs.150,000 for his participation in the attacks. (Pakistan now holds the key to probe: investigators)

Another report said the 21-year old man was recruited from his Punjab, Pakistan home in part based on a pledge by recruiters to pay USD $1,250 US (Rs. 62,412.50) to his family when he became a martyr. Other sources put the reward to USD $4,000. (Bombs found in Mumbai train station a week later, National Public Radio, Mumbai Terrorist Wanted to 'Kill and Die' and Become Famous )

According to a media report citing an unnamed former Defence Department Official of the US, the intelligence agencies of the US had determined that the former officers from Pakistan’s Army and its powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency assisted actively and continuously in training.

Reportedly Ajmal Amir said to his Indian captors: "We were told that our big brother India is so rich and we are dying of poverty and hunger. My father sells dahi wada on a stall in Lahore and we did not even get enough food to eat from his earnings. I was promised that once they knew that I was successful in my operation, they would give Rs 150,000 [almost USD 4,000] to my family)," said Qasab. (Mumbai Terrorist Wanted to Kill and Die and Become Famous, ABC News, 03-Dec-2008)

Reportedly Ajmal continued: "If you give me regular meals and money I will do the same for you that I did for them."

"When we asked whether he knew any verses from the Quran that described jihad, Ajmal Amir said he did not," police said. "In fact he did not know much about Islam or its tenets," according to a police source. (Mumbai Terrorist Wanted to Kill and Die and Become Famous, ABC News, 03-Dec-2008 )

"Please do not tell anyone that I am caught alive otherwise they will kill me. They had told us that they would shoot us if we ever returned to Pakistan", he said, according to the Asian Age, as quoted by ABC (USA). (Mumbai Terrorist Wanted to Kill and Die and Become Famous, ABC News, 03-Dec-2008 )

Reportedly, Ajmal Amir was captured on CCTV during his attacks at Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus along with another terrorist, Ismail Khan.

Ajmal Amir reportedly told the police that they wanted to replicate the attack on Islamabad's Marriott hotel attack, and reduce the Taj Hotel to rubble, replicating the 9/11 attacks in India. (PLANNED 9/11 AT TAJ: CAUGHT TERRORIST)

Reportedly:

Ajmal Amir and his accomplice Abu Dera Ismail Khan, age 25, attacked the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (Victoria Terminus) railway station.

They then moved on to attack a police vehicle at Cama Hospital, in which Maharashtra Anti Terrorism Squad Chief Hemant Karkare, was traveling.

Azam and Ismail Khan then drove towards Metro cinema and then towards Vidhan Bhavan.

Their vehicle had a tire puncture, so they stole a silver Škoda Laura and drove towards Girgaum Chowpatty. They met a police barricade on Marine Drive. Abu Ismail was killed and Ajmal Amir was captured.

Some reports said that Ajmal Amir was shot and had bullet wounds in his hand or both hands. (Sole Captured Suspect Offers Grim Insights Into Massacre )

There are other reports by doctors who treated him that he had no bullet wounds. (No bullet hit Kasab, no active treatment on, says hospital's dean)

Reportedly:

Ajmal Amir disclosed the location of a fishing trawler, MV Kuber, that the gunmen reportedly used to enter Mumbai's coastal waters. He also told investigators where they would find the ship captain's body, a satellite phone and a global-positioning device. (Sole captured suspect offers grim insights into massacre, 2008)

It is reported that Ajmal Amir told the police that he and his associate, Ismail Khan, were the ones who shot Anti-Terror Squad chief Hemant Karkare, encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar and Additional Commissioner Ashok Kamte.

Reportedly, Ajmal Amir told the police he entered the Taj Hotel posing as a student from Mauritius and stored explosives in a room. (Arrested terrorist reveals all to police)

Ajmal Amir reportedly revealed that he and his associate stayed in Room 630 in the Taj Mahal Palace hotel and had many visitors. They had booked the room for four days using fake Mauritian identities. (NDTV.com: Terrorists stayed in room 630, had many visitors)

On November 29, Ajmal Amir named his colleagues as Abu Ali, Fahad, Omar, Shoaib, Umer, Abu Akasha, Abu Ismail Dera Ismail Khan, Abdul Rahman (Bara), and Abdul Rahman.

Reportedly Ajmal Amir has told his interrogators that their plan was to get off the dinghy near the fishing village at Badhwar Park, Cuffe Parade, at dusk and strike all targets except Nariman House between 19:00 and 20:00. However, the landing was delayed and they arrived at 20.45. (We wanted to hit CST at peak hour, says arrested terrorist)
Reply 119
law@leics
What about the muslims killing innocent indians, british, american etc? Anyway I am not being biased, because my ex of 4 years is (an indian) muslim and he is the most decent and respectable man i know. I am hindu but i will say if i think indians are wrong. I have a lot of hatred towards the indian people particularly the indian government but at the same time i just cannot see why pakistanis can be for terrorism. can you not see the devastation it is causing? everytime you give a statistic or some sort of empirical evidence you dont see that even statistics can be very misleading and unreliable. "estimated 2000 muslims were killed" what about how many hindus have been killed on other occassions. I think indians are far from perfect and very wrong at times but i have to say, pakistanis are worst. however, i am not generalising to the whole muslim community. some muslims arent from pakistan and even if their parents were, some are actually really decent people.


1.Any sensible Muslim would know that the Quran states that 'taking someone's life (regardless of religion) is equivalent to killing all of mankind. So I do not think these terrorists have any religion because all religions are against the killing of innocent people.

2. Pakistanis aren't in favour of terrorism. I think you have a misconception.

3. If you say so. That is your opinion, to which you have arrived having never set foot in Pakistan.

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