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Original post by The Lyceum
Ah well my knowledge of how Latin is taught pre-uni is obviously non existent, and I'm aware at how bizarre my Latin experience has been (speaking and writing so much) compared to most. Like I said, my cats respond rather well to it. Well most of my cats do, this one always waits for me to finish and then attacks me. But the other two are like "ita vero, domine!". Well "miaw" but you get the idea.

The trick with Greek law is to get a good overview and then focus on a particular "approach" you love. So for me it was mainly religion since that's one of my major research aims but it tends to stick things together better than trying to retain it all. Trying formalistic analysis of the mechanical stuff (Ekklesia etc) can be mind numbing and I have nothing but annoyance at those memories.

Have you tried role playing cases? Well not acting them out but take a speech and plot all the legal machimata used, and then do it for a similar case and see if it all adds up. (Hint: it rarely does).

People doing Roman Law have it so much easier. It's so much more sensible and non "LOL I WILL DO WHATEVER I WANT, SUCK IT" in nature. I mean typical Roman example is something like.

Quintus sells Lucius a slave claiming he's healthy.
Slave dies. Lucius takes Quintus takes his case to an advocate who advises him.
Law court for misrepresentation.

Sensible. The Greek example:

Artemidotos buys 6 figs from Laoerges.
2 figs were rotten.
Artem. takes Lao. to court for trying to subvert the democracy,
Lao. accuses Artem of beating his own parents and sexual deviancy.
Artem. replies that Laos mother was a prostitute.
3 generations later people are still fighting in courts. Speech-writers get loaded.


Crazy Latin cat guy? :p:

That was what my essay was on - how important religion was as a factor to the lawcourts and ekklesia's decisions... It was awful.

I haven't had a chance to do any Roman law yet, I hope to next year though. Something on law is what I'm currently thinking about for my dissertation.
I'm not crazy. Well..

Ah Roman Law is wickedofiyah. Someone I knew did their dissertation of the pricing, regulation (!) and social effects of prostitution in ancient Rome, focusing particularly on Ostia. There was a lot of law stuff involved.

Hahaha....it was an amusing, if at times harrowing, read.
Original post by The Lyceum
Artemidotos buys 6 figs from Laoerges.
2 figs were rotten.
Artem. takes Lao. to court for trying to subvert the democracy,
Lao. accuses Artem of beating his own parents and sexual deviancy.
Artem. replies that Laos mother was a prostitute.
3 generations later people are still fighting in courts. Speech-writers get loaded.


It's interesting how widespread the latter style has become in recent times.
Pretty much anyone who does the slightest thing to bring even just a single tear to "the authorities'" eyes will have some kind of allegation brought against them -- when the authorities are often mired in similar things themselves.
It's a slightly perverted 'tu quoque' which is more like 'yeah we both did wrong, but it's only your wrong which matters so get ter jail'.

For example, there are extraordinary parallels with the Wikileaks scandal ...

A1: Mister A2, can we buy some weaponz of mazz deztructionz plz.
A2: Yus yu cun -- hur yu gu. That will be £13.99.
B: :O I'ma expose you guys for being so evil.
A1: Hahaha, well never mind THOSE charges ... you raped Miss Xyandz.
B: Yeh but you bought porn with taxpayers' moniez.
A1: Did not.
B: Did too.
A1: Did not.
B: Did too.
A1: Okay fine I did. But what does that matter? -- you're the evil one here, aren't you.
B: Um ... isn't that like, ridiculous?

And then a modern variation for the ending:

A2: RIGHT. Shut up trouble-maker, and get to Sweden. *yank*
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Original post by The Lyceum
I'm not crazy. Well..

Ah Roman Law is wickedofiyah. Someone I knew did their dissertation of the pricing, regulation (!) and social effects of prostitution in ancient Rome, focusing particularly on Ostia. There was a lot of law stuff involved.

Hahaha....it was an amusing, if at times harrowing, read.


No,no crazy is a good way to be, it makes life...interesting. :beard:
Original post by placenta medicae talpae
A2: RIGHT. Shut up trouble-maker, and get to Sweden. *yank*
Yeah, but what good has Wikileaks really done other than probably giving states the impetus to be more secretive in future? And could the courts really ignore sexual assault charges, which may or may not be true, just because Assange has enemies?

I did mean to watch the recent documentaries about Wikileaks on the BBC though, but missed them (maybe they're still on the iPlayer :idea:).

Original post by The Lyceum
Ah well my knowledge of how Latin is taught pre-uni is obviously non existent, and I'm aware at how bizarre my Latin experience has been (speaking and writing so much) compared to most. Like I said, my cats respond rather well to it. Well most of my cats do, this one always waits for me to finish and then attacks me. But the other two are like "ita vero, domine!". Well "miaw" but you get the idea.
You must be imagining it, cats are never that subservient, even if they can purr perfect Latin. Cats have no masters but themselves! Unless perhaps if they're exceptionally well-trained little vernulae.

On a slightly related note, I have the Cat in the Hat (Cattus Petasatus) in Latin -- it's a fun read![INDENT]
Imber totum diem fluit.
Urceatim semper pluit.
Taedet intus nos manere:
Numquam potest sol splendere,

[/INDENT]
[INDENT="2"]etc. etc.
[/INDENT]
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Question how do people learn vocab. I'm really worried mine is going to be nowhere near sufficient by my exam this summer in Greek to be able to translate the passages even though I understand the grammar.
Original post by big-bang-theory
Question how do people learn vocab. I'm really worried mine is going to be nowhere near sufficient by my exam this summer in Greek to be able to translate the passages even though I understand the grammar.


First of all, is there a specific author who you need to be able to translate? If so, then search on the internet for a vocab list. I've found one for Homer which lists frequency. Apart from that, I just learn the list and find that repetition helps before, after a while, taking all the words that I still don't know and making a list of them using the same process all over again.

Apart from that, practicing on various passages and helping to build your vocabulary will help.
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Original post by toronto353
First of all, is there a specific author who you need to be able to translate? If so, then search on the internet for a vocab list. I've found one for Homer which lists frequency. Apart from that, I just learn the list and find that repetition helps before, after a while, taking all the words that I still don't know and making a list of them using the same process all over again.

Apart from that, practicing on various passages and helping to build your vocabulary will help.


Homer book I, Aristophanes Clouds, Lysias' On the murder of Eratosthenes and 2 passages from the Phaedrus. So lots basically. I can only sort of translate it without a lexicon to hand atm.
Original post by big-bang-theory
Homer book I, Aristophanes Clouds, Lysias' On the murder of Eratosthenes and 2 passages from the Phaedrus. So lots basically. I can only sort of translate it without a lexicon to hand atm.


So it's not unseen then?
Original post by big-bang-theory
Homer book I, Aristophanes Clouds, Lysias' On the murder of Eratosthenes and 2 passages from the Phaedrus. So lots basically. I can only sort of translate it without a lexicon to hand atm.


I think I might have something for you, let me see what is on my hard drive and if I can upload it for you...
Original post by big-bang-theory
Question how do people learn vocab. I'm really worried mine is going to be nowhere near sufficient by my exam this summer in Greek to be able to translate the passages even though I understand the grammar.
This website is pretty cool. Obviously the word lists are uploaded by users, but there does seem to have been a reasonable amount of Greek and Latin stuff uploaded. (Although I've only been using it for other languages myself, particularly Pali.)
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Oh Zeus! I'M GOING TO GREECE IN THE SUMMER!

:sparta:

I'm so excited!!! :woo:
Original post by Sappho
Oh Zeus! I'M GOING TO GREECE IN THE SUMMER!

:sparta:

I'm so excited!!! :woo:
Me too! :u:

Whereabouts are you going?
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Original post by jismith1989
Me too! :u:

Whereabouts are you going?


A lot of places. Athens, Sparta, Olympia, Delphi... All those well-known names :redface:

It is a Summer Course, they sent me an e-mail yesterday that I got a place. I'm sooo happy :biggrin:

How about you?
Awesome. I bump into any of you I shall most certainly try to rob you.
Original post by Sappho
A lot of places. Athens, Sparta, Olympia, Delphi... All those well-known names :redface:

It is a Summer Course, they sent me an e-mail yesterday that I got a place. I'm sooo happy :biggrin:

How about you?
Sounds very cool, hope you have a good time. I'm just going to Cephalonia and Athens, not quite as academically orientated as your trip, but I'm sure I'll pass by a few museums -- if Lyceum doesn't steal my entrance money, that is. :colone:
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Original post by The Lyceum
Awesome. I bump into any of you I shall most certainly try to rob you.


Original post by jismith1989
Sounds very cool, hope you have a good time. I'm just going to Cephalonia and Athens, not quite as academically orientated as your trip, but I'm sure I'll pass by a few museums -- if Lyceum doesn't steal my entrance money, that is. :colone:

Ah well, he can rob me, I'll have free entry :smile: So generous today...

Any good Classics related book stores in Athens? Unfortunately I don't know much Modern Greek (yet?)...
Original post by Sappho
Ah well, he can rob me, I'll have free entry :smile: So generous today...

Any good Classics related book stores in Athens? Unfortunately I don't know much Modern Greek (yet?)...


No, there aren't. In general Classics wise if you want Romilie and others of that era, sure thing, if you want serious Classics books look elsewhere. I guess the perception of Classics there isn't as bad compared to the continent in general (dur dur classical heritage dur dur) but compared to Britain is can be a pain.

On the other hand you can get hold of good nicely bound versions of the OCT series for cheap. Generally speaking in Greece we don't believe in cheap paperbacks, only fabulously bound pretty stuff. My copies of Homer have survived years of constantly being read, thrown in bags, international travel and late at night referencing etc etc. Built to last anything.

Also we have four major bookstores in Athens and they kick the crap out of most bookstores I've seen. You want modern literature? comics? graphics cards? DS games? No problem. You want coffee? with your books? Get out, this is a book store.

I love the Greek attitude to books. I love Athens, its like seeing my mind mapped out. Books, food, stray cats etc.
Oh by the wa museum wise, the national archaeology museum is one of the most important Anc Greek museums in the world, though all the good stuff is locked away for safety.

The war museum is a joke, only worth going in to laugh at it.

The Byzantine museum is one of my favourite museums and is up there with the BM and the Wallace Collection. Whoever organises and looks after that one is a god in my opinion.

Well ordered, the information is clear and accurate (unlike the others) and its definitely worth a visit.
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Original post by The Lyceum
Oh by the wa museum wise, the national archaeology museum is one of the most important Anc Greek museums in the world, though all the good stuff is locked away for safety.

The war museum is a joke, only worth going in to laugh at it.

The Byzantine museum is one of my favourite museums and is up there with the BM and the Wallace Collection. Whoever organises and looks after that one is a god in my opinion.

Well ordered, the information is clear and accurate (unlike the others) and its definitely worth a visit.


Gotta love the fact they take us to places usually locked from the public... :colone:

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