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Is it time Europe bans Islam &amp; muslim immigration?

You might as well judge all jews for violently pursued zionism just because there are verses reviling goyim/non jews in the talmud.

How many people were beheaded by Jews in the name of Talmud?

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Hasan_Ahmed

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Original post by admonit

How many people were beheaded by Jews in the name of Talmud?

I don't think that the method of killing is important, but the fact that killing happens and has happened. Go read about the original aggressive israelite conquests of Canaan. If you want a modern example, then look to Israel.

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avfcfan

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Looks like Britain first have taken over Student room hmm...

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admonit

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Original post by Hasan_Ahmed

I don't think that the method of killing is important

Islamic terrorists think otherwise.

Go read about the original aggressive israelite conquests of Canaan. If you want a modern example, then look to Israel.

It's ridiculous today to point out the biblical events of 3000 years ago. And Israel is not a religious but a national state.

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Hasan_Ahmed

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Original post by admonit

Islamic terrorists think otherwise.

It's ridiculous today to point out the biblical events of 3000 years ago. And Israel is not a religious but a national state.

It's what they do that matters, not what they think. Whether they behead people or not is inconsequential, they're still taking innocent lives.
Yes, it's ridiculous to point things out from 3000 years ago, but it's also ridiculous to push blame for acts of one ideological faction of a religion onto another - especially when the factions not responsible for terrorism are so often victims of it. 10s of thousands of innocent shias and moderate sunnis have been murdered by wahaabis, and yet it's our responsibility to apologise? No.

Reply 565

NorthBank

No, of course we shouldn't be considering banning Islam and immigration from Islamic countries. Only a moron would think that.

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username1148663

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Original post by avfcfan

Looks like Britain first have taken over Student room hmm...

Perhaps that is just how the general public feel.

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Reply 567

Betelgeuse-

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Original post by Honey126

Stop allowing them to come here in the first place?

Too late, there are 40 odd million muslims in Europe. A solution to islamic extremism is needed

Reply 568

Betelgeuse-

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Original post by Hasan_Ahmed

It's what they do that matters, not what they think. Whether they behead people or not is inconsequential, they're still taking innocent lives.
Yes, it's ridiculous to point things out from 3000 years ago, but it's also ridiculous to push blame for acts of one ideological faction of a religion onto another - especially when the factions not responsible for terrorism are so often victims of it. 10s of thousands of innocent shias and moderate sunnis have been murdered by wahaabis, and yet it's our responsibility to apologise? No.

Their version of Islam does not see them as Muslims the same way the vast majorities of normal muslims do not see a man whom identifies as gay and muslim as a muslim

Nobody wants or expects muslims to apologise for terrorist actions, we want normal muslims to shed the victim status and lead in the fight back against radical interpretations of your holy scriptures because the west doing so or using military solutions will not resolve the issue

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admonit

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Original post by Hasan_Ahmed

It's what they do that matters, not what they think. Whether they behead people or not is inconsequential, they're still taking innocent lives.

The matter is what they believe and why they kill people. How they kill people also is important, because it shows how ugly is the beast borne by Islam.

Yes, it's ridiculous to point things out from 3000 years ago, but it's also ridiculous to push blame for acts of one ideological faction of a religion onto another - especially when the factions not responsible for terrorism are so often victims of it. 10s of thousands of innocent shias and moderate sunnis have been murdered by wahaabis

Millions of Muslims were killed by Muslims. Today they also are killing each other blaming each other being a sect. Why non-Muslims should suffer because of it? Where new members of ISIS are coming from? From Muslim communities all over the world.

and yet it's our responsibility to apologise? No.

To apologize? I don't see even clear and unconditional condemnation. Is killing of 130 people in the name of Allah less insulting for Muslims than unpleasant pictures of prophet Muhammad in a danish newspaper? Where are mass protests? Oh, sorry, about 100 Iranians came to the french embassy to express sympathy to France. Great. When there is an opportunity to chant "Death to America! Death to Israel" tens of thousands are easily assembled.

It is not enough to cite the words (taken originally from Talmud) about great value of human life, you also should implement them.

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ha27

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ok, that female suicide bomber she wore the veil only for a month before the attacks she had never read to qur'an before she was known to have many many boyfriends she didnt care about the religion and she drank all the time
please do not associate these people with islam if they do not even know what the qur'an says

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username1148663

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Original post by admonit

The matter is what they believe and why they kill people. How they kill people also is important, because it shows how ugly is the beast borne by Islam.

Millions of Muslims were killed by Muslims. Today they also are killing each other blaming each other being a sect. Why non-Muslims should suffer because of it? Where new members of ISIS are coming from? From Muslim communities all over the world.

To apologize? I don't see even clear and unconditional condemnation. Is killing of 130 people in the name of Allah less insulting for Muslims than unpleasant pictures of prophet Muhammad in a danish newspaper? Where are mass protests? Oh, sorry, about 100 Iranians came to the french embassy to express sympathy to France. Great. When there is an opportunity to chant "Death to America! Death to Israel" tens of thousands are easily assembled.

It is not enough to cite the words (taken originally from Talmud) about great value of human life, you also should implement them.

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Hasan_Ahmed

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Original post by Betelgeuse-

Their version of Islam does not see them as Muslims the same way the vast majorities of normal muslims do not see a man whom identifies as gay and muslim as a muslim

Nobody wants or expects muslims to apologise for terrorist actions, we want normal muslims to shed the victim status and lead in the fight back against radical interpretations of your holy scriptures because the west doing so or using military solutions will not resolve the issue

Muslims should shed the victim status, it's ridiculous. But no, there are people who demand normal muslims with 'are you with us against them, or against us?' kind of questions - as if we need to be asked - especially shia muslims, whose co-adherents in the third world are the primary victims of wahaabi murder and rape.

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Hasan_Ahmed

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Original post by admonit

The matter is what they believe and why they kill people. How they kill people also is important, because it shows how ugly is the beast borne by Islam.

Millions of Muslims were killed by Muslims. Today they also are killing each other blaming each other being a sect. Why non-Muslims should suffer because of it? Where new members of ISIS are coming from? From Muslim communities all over the world.

To apologize? I don't see even clear and unconditional condemnation. Is killing of 130 people in the name of Allah less insulting for Muslims than unpleasant pictures of prophet Muhammad in a danish newspaper? Where are mass protests? Oh, sorry, about 100 Iranians came to the french embassy to express sympathy to France. Great. When there is an opportunity to chant "Death to America! Death to Israel" tens of thousands are easily assembled.

It is not enough to cite the words (taken originally from Talmud) about great value of human life, you also should implement them.

If you don't see clear and unconditional condemnation, either you're blind, or you're only looking at the news at a superficial level. Or perhaps you don't check to see if there are any condemnations? You realise that it's not sensationalist enough when we condemn it for us to make it into the big news? Evidence:

http://muslimmatters.org/2015/11/14/the-paris-massacre-assessing-the-muslim-response/

http://muslimmatters.org/2015/08/24/khawarij-ideology-isis-savagery-part-one/

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/british-muslims-are-literally-paying-to-condemn-isis-so-everyone-can-stop-going-on-about-it-now--b1V6zQTOKe

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-ramadan-war-muslim-leaders-condemn-islamic-state-attacks-call-holy-month-time-1990904

http://www.ibtimes.com/india-muslim-leaders-condemn-isis-religious-scholars-endorse-fatwa-lambasting-islamic-2083620

http://www.christianpost.com/news/top-islamic-university-muslim-leaders-condemn-isis-slaughter-of-ethiopian-christians-say-it-goes-against-any-religion-137976/

http://bridge.georgetown.edu/here-are-the-many-muslim-condemnations-of-isis-youve-been-looking-for/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmgGG8CbsLI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAxIOC8Zisc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hMy3e2x5e8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAWOS9Ac44

You have now indicated your failure to differentiate between muslim groups by talking about it in terms of 'them muslims killing each other' in a situation where there is a clear oppressive group (wahaabis) and several groups subjected to persecution - shi'a, ahmediyya, moderate sunnis, mutazzili, ibadi.
Look objectively and take your 'us vs them' glasses off.

Reply 574

Hasan_Ahmed

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Original post by paul514

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There are your mass protests.

Reply 575

MrKmas508

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Original post by ha27

ok, that female suicide bomber she wore the veil only for a month before the attacks she had never read to qur'an before she was known to have many many boyfriends she didnt care about the religion and she drank all the time
please do not associate these people with islam if they do not even know what the qur'an says

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She's rediscovers Islam and within a month she becomes a suicide bomber. Before hand she was a harmless lout, yes that's totally not Islams fault even though Islam is the entire reason for why she did it.

Reply 576

HikariUchiha

Original post by Ace123

After yet more terrible terror attacks in France is it time that Europe faces reality and bans Islam & muslim immigration to Europe, muslim attacks seems never ending, 9/11, 7/7, Lee Rigby, Madrid Bombings, Belgium attacks, Rotherham Abuse, Charlie Hebdo & now more attacks in Paris.

Yes thank you finally someone who has some sense!!

Reply 577

Deprogramming✌

How about ban all non-White immigration

You don't see Asia being flooded with non-Asian people do you?

Why is being against immigration that destroys the existing population an issue?

Why should White people care about the feelings of non-Whites, when it is White people who are losing our their homeland not them?

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TaintedLight

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What has failed, with regard to ‘education’, is the liberal brainwashing intended to indoctrinate us all into disbelieving human nature e.g. that, as ivy.98 succinctly put it “people come .. with their own country [read: civilisational ethno-cultural identity/values/norms] which they have no intention of giving up on”

@Foo.mp3 @Foo.mp4

If a muslim wants to be my next door neighbor, I would assume that he is residing in this country to provide a roof for his family and increase his standard of living. Supposedly this person happened to have terrorist-ideals doesn't mean I need to apply this attribute on every Muslim I see. Your education failed if you couldn't apply this simple distinction in your life.