Texas church attack leaves 27 dead, 20+ injured

Why shouldn't normal people be allowed to buy one? I feel as long as there are laws to stop mentally ill people or those with a criminal record or a track record of bad behaviour from buying them, it should be fine. I don't see why a normal, law abiding person shouldn't be allowed to just buy an AR-15 if that's what they want.

With all due respect, that's the whole ****ing point of this recurring argument!

Many mass shootings and everyday (literally) murders are committed using legally bought and held weapons.

If you think that thousands of people killed every year is a necessary price to pay for retaining absolute freedoms, then good for you.

Presumably you also support the right of everyone to likewise have access to drugs, abortions, kiddie porn, ivory, etc, if they want it?

Child porn involves the abuse of children in order to produce it so no I don't support it.

However, guns aren't inherently a bad product.

Switzerland for example has plenty of people who own weapons including assault rifles and they don't have a gun crime problem,

and the guns bring a sense of security and happiness to hundreds of thousands of people.

It's clear that the gun violence problem in the US is caused by many factors including a lack of opportunity for some and poor mental health care. It's not a gun problem

So you agree that any freedom for some that results in harm to others should be opposed.

So you accept the principle of child porn but only object to it when its application leads to harming others.

A most disingenuous argument, if you know the facts of the Swiss system.

Child porn brings a sense of happiness to many people. And it kills fewer children than guns.


The UK has lack of opportunity and poor mental health care, but a tiny fraction of the gun homicides of the US.
What do you think causes all these extra gun homicides if it's not guns?

No because child porn requires that children are abused in order to make it in the first place. Guns can be made without abusing anyone.

The UK doesn't have the high level of inequality and poor health care that the US has,

especially since in the UK everyone can access mental health care for free,

At the end of the day, a mentally ill person can still kill a few people with a knife or a truck, yet these attacks rarely if ever happen here, because people don't feel the need to carry them out.

You are missing the point. The concept of child porn does not require children to be abused.
Guns do not need to be made freely available to the general public.
They are both harmless until they are put into practice.

So you are basically saying that you are happy with the concept of child porn as long as no children are abused. So you are fine with animated child porn and child sex dolls.

But it does have inequality and poor health care, yet proportionally, it has far fewer gun homicides.

Not read the papers today then?

So you are claiming that the entire difference in the rate of gun homicides is caused by a lack of free mental health care. Do you have data to support this assertion?

why do you think its caused by gun laws?

You are missing the point. The concept of child porn does not require children to be abused.
Guns do not need to be made freely available to the general public.
They are both harmless until they are put into practice.

So you are basically saying that you are happy with the concept of child porn as long as no children are abused. So you are fine with animated child porn and child sex dolls.

But it does have inequality and poor health care, yet proportionally, it has far fewer gun homicides.

Not read the papers today then?

So you are claiming that the entire difference in the rate of gun homicides is caused by a lack of free mental health care. Do you have data to support this assertion?

1) well no because that's weird.

2) I think it's caused by a number of factors: lack of comprehensive background checks in all states, gun show loophole, gang culture, inequality, lack of opportunities in certain regions and for certain races, open southern border, bad policing, mental health problems and lack of morals.

The problem isn't with law abiding citizens carrying guns,

it's with the lack of gun control

Banning guns outright isn't the right thing to do imo since it takes guns away from law abiding people who want to own them for various reasons.