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Hi Rob,

Thanks for doing this. I'm currently applying to consulting summer applications and things are going well (although not in regards to MBB unfortunately). But one thing I'm concerned about is the legitimacy of consulting. The more I've looked into it the more it feels like a branding service with traditional methods that builds up the confidence of a business rather than significantly helping it (Probably differs from project to project but still generally). I'm not sure, but I'm starting to doubt how much meat is on the bones with regards to the type of work. Any thoughts on this?

Thankyou again.
Reply 521
Original post by Andreeea97
Hi Rob,I remember this thread from last year but I’m happy to see that you’re still answering our questions - I would go with mine, do I stand a chance? And what would be the best way to start towards a career in a MBB?

1. I’ve done an undergraduate in Economics and Sociology at non-target and non-Russel uni and achieved a fairly high first class (think of ex-poly).

2. I’ve recently graduated from a postgraduate at the LSE with a (high) merit - admission to the course is highly competitive (so not one of those random courses) and the subject is quantitative (Political economy) - just not as pure econ/stats.

3. I’ve some internship experience but not strictly in the field of MBBs: 2 months at an embassy in London; 6 months in a boutique (and unknown) research and advisory firm working on a start -up accelerator initiative with a government, international organisations (QFFD, Gates Foundation, UNDP, WPD) and national corporations (think of $10bn in revenues); and 4 months of experience at a UK political party in the leader’s tour as part of the GE campaign trail (the once that lost its leader’s seat).

I’m aware than my undergraduate drags me down (biggest regret of my life, I’ve turned down offers from Russel group uni’s top 20uk unis). I’m also aware that my lack of consulting related internships play a negative role too, but sincerely, do I stand a chance?I have a native knowledge of 2 languages and I’m 22 if that matters (excluding eng).Thanks a lot!


A few thoughts:

1. Your undergraduate definitely weighs you down but your LSE masters should compensate to an extent (not all, but some)
2. The 6 months in a boutique research firm could be interesting, but I would refrain from mentioning any political experience (even if it is in the centre, if I think of the party you are mentioning)
3. Age doesn't matter and your language capability (assuming they are European languages or one related to a high-growth country) is also beneficial.

Based on what you've mentioned here, my candid opinion is that you approach firms in the tier 2 / 3 and the Big-4 non-strategy consulting arms build up the consulting toolkit, get on some interesting projects and then graduate up to the higher-end of tier 2. I think, given your profile, MBB would be extremely difficult.
Reply 522
Original post by Thankmelater2020
Hi Rob,

Thanks for doing this. I'm currently applying to consulting summer applications and things are going well (although not in regards to MBB unfortunately). But one thing I'm concerned about is the legitimacy of consulting. The more I've looked into it the more it feels like a branding service with traditional methods that builds up the confidence of a business rather than significantly helping it (Probably differs from project to project but still generally). I'm not sure, but I'm starting to doubt how much meat is on the bones with regards to the type of work. Any thoughts on this?

Thankyou again.


You have a fair point - a lot of firms use consultants to "validate" what they are already thinking and to strengthen confidence behind a course of action, to get the stamp of a known brand on their strategy before presenting it to the board. It's almost like a cover-your-ass type situation, so if thing's go badly wrong, they can turn around and say, "don't blame me, even the MBB agreed with me".

That said, some of the intellectual firepower, experience and expert resources you have in a top consulting firm simply cannot be matched, and for really complex growth projects, turnarounds, etc., there is certainly meat on the bones.
Reply 523
Original post by ozilll10
Hi Rob,

I am in the midst of making my CV for consulting applications. I've interned for 6 weeks at a mid sized PE firm (500mm assets under management) and was wondering what would be the most important things to talk about for a consulting focused CV? I worked on both origination (sourcing potential deals) & portfolio companies. It is much easier when I made the CV focused for banking apps as I could talk about multiples, building a LBO model and etc but I'm not sure whether that is appropriate for consulting firms.

Also, what kind of work would a consultant do for a PE firm? Maybe I can focus on that stuff. So would a consultant just do the commercial due diligence for a potential deal? Would they also work on portfolio companies or is that just for the operating partners?

And to shoot my shot, would there be any chance you could review my consulting focused CV?


Firstly, congratulations on your internship in PE. That's a hard gig to get, and you pulled it off.

For a consulting CV, you need to understand the core toolkit and map your experiences accordingly. For example, creating value in businesses, leveraging primary and secondary resources, baselining, market landscaping and sizing, etc., and map these to what you're doing in PE.

PE firms generally hire consultants for two things: 1. Commercial due diligence, and 2. Portfolio company value creation. We generally work alongside the operating partners (who tend to be ex-consultants or industry veterans anyway) but depends on the model of the fund.

I do run a CV review / repositioning service for aspiring consultants (MBB or other tiers) but that's a paid service unfortunately (to keep things fair for all of the others that have asked me).
Original post by rob1060
Firstly, congratulations on your internship in PE. That's a hard gig to get, and you pulled it off.

For a consulting CV, you need to understand the core toolkit and map your experiences accordingly. For example, creating value in businesses, leveraging primary and secondary resources, baselining, market landscaping and sizing, etc., and map these to what you're doing in PE.

PE firms generally hire consultants for two things: 1. Commercial due diligence, and 2. Portfolio company value creation. We generally work alongside the operating partners (who tend to be ex-consultants or industry veterans anyway) but depends on the model of the fund.

I do run a CV review / repositioning service for aspiring consultants (MBB or other tiers) but that's a paid service unfortunately (to keep things fair for all of the others that have asked me).

Thanks for your kind words Rob!

I only have enough space on my CV for the PE stint or a international expansion strategy project I consulted on to a startup. Which one do you think would be better for tier 2/mbb apps? I assume from your reaction the PE stint?

I'll take up on your offer for the CV review. Do you have a website or anything?
Reply 525
Original post by ozilll10
Thanks for your kind words Rob!

I only have enough space on my CV for the PE stint or a international expansion strategy project I consulted on to a startup. Which one do you think would be better for tier 2/mbb apps? I assume from your reaction the PE stint?

I'll take up on your offer for the CV review. Do you have a website or anything?


No website as it’s all through word of mouth - best to get in touch through the direct messaging and we can take it from there.
Hi Rob,

Many job descriptions for consulting firms expect 'exceptional analytical and quantitative problem solving skills' what kind of experiences best show this?

Thanks
Reply 527
Original post by ozilll10
Hi Rob,

Many job descriptions for consulting firms expect 'exceptional analytical and quantitative problem solving skills' what kind of experiences best show this?

Thanks


Academic performance in related subjects (maths, physics, economics, etc.) or internships / work experience in a highly-analytical role (product development in a tech startup, investment banking, consulting, etc.).
Hi Rob,

If one has a lot of relevant and meaningful experience and big names on CV, leadership experience etc. can it outweigh the uni they go to (think premier semi target)?

Thanks
Reply 529
Original post by timif1
Hi Rob,

If one has a lot of relevant and meaningful experience and big names on CV, leadership experience etc. can it outweigh the uni they go to (think premier semi target)?

Thanks


For sure - if for example one did economics at Sheffield (and got a first), and did internships in investment banking at Goldman Sachs.. then that person would on the talent interview matrix be positioned equivalent to someone who did undergraduate at LSE but no big-name internships.

Only works up to a point, and for very selected names. Big names doesn’t necessarily equate to elite names.
Thank you for a very informative thread. With regard to undergraduate degree, would there be considerable or any advantage for an Australian student to study economics at LSE or UCL as opposed to a 4 year honours degree in finance, economics and applied statistics at Australian National University?
Reply 531
Original post by Aybeecee
Thank you for a very informative thread. With regard to undergraduate degree, would there be considerable or any advantage for an Australian student to study economics at LSE or UCL as opposed to a 4 year honours degree in finance, economics and applied statistics at Australian National University?


ANU is a great school and appears on the target lists for the MBB Sydney offices. If you are ANU applying to London office, then probably better to do Economics at LSE or UCL.
Hi Rob,

Thanks so much for your insightful replies! Was wondering if you could shed some light on recruiting in the major US offices (NY/SF/Boston) for full-time entry level positions at MBB.

1. I graduated with a high 2:1 (68%) in Economics from LSE/UCL, and am currently pursuing a quantitative Masters at one of HYPSM. I have a pretty strong GMAT score (750+) and straight A*s for my A Levels.
I am confident in getting at least a 3.8 GPA for my Masters, but would the lack of a 1:1 in my undergrad degree be a deal breaker, or would my other academics be enough to compensate? How is LSE/UCL viewed by US recruiters, and how should my degree result be presented on my CV (just list the degree class, or convert it to GPA)?

2. I previously had front-office investment banking internships (Spring Insight at a EB in London, summer at a non-EB boutique in the US). Heading into the fall recruitment cycle, which of these summer internships (all in Asia) would best position me for MBB recruitment in the US - Deloitte S&O, FP&A at a F100 company, Strategy and Business Development at one of the most valuable startups in Asia (well-known in Asia, but not in the US), or a investment role in a solid but relatively young and fledging VC fund founded by McKinsey alumni?

What would be my approximate chance of getting a first-round interview as an international student? Would networking help more in the US than in the UK? Thank you!
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Reply 533
Original post by bloodcyka
Hi Rob,

Thanks so much for your insightful replies! Was wondering if you could shed some light on recruiting in the major US offices (NY/SF/Boston) for full-time entry level positions at MBB.

1. I graduated with a high 2:1 (68%) in Economics from LSE/UCL, and am currently pursuing a quantitative Masters at one of HYPSM. I have a pretty strong GMAT score (750+) and straight A*s for my A Levels.
I am confident in getting at least a 3.8 GPA for my Masters, but would the lack of a 1:1 in my undergrad degree be a deal breaker, or would my other academics be enough to compensate? How is LSE/UCL viewed by US recruiters, and how should my degree result be presented on my CV (just list the degree class, or convert it to GPA)?

2. I previously had front-office investment banking internships (Spring Insight at a EB in London, summer at a non-EB boutique in the US). Heading into the fall recruitment cycle, which of these summer internships (all in Asia) would best position me for MBB recruitment in the US - Deloitte S&O, FP&A at a F100 company, Strategy and Business Development at one of the most valuable startups in Asia (well-known in Asia, but not in the US), or a investment role in a solid but relatively young and fledging VC fund founded by McKinsey alumni?

What would be my approximate chance of getting a first-round interview as an international student? Would networking help more in the US than in the UK? Thank you!


1. How could you get an undergraduate degree from both LSE and UCL? Anyhow, other academics are enough to tick-the-box for an invite to PST or equivalent. LSE is viewed as tier 1 by recruiters in the US, less so UCL. Convert to GPA if you are applying to US offices

2. The startup role or VC.

3. Depends on the office; networking only gets you so far.. times have changed.
Hi Rob, it seems that lots of the top consulting firms are moving more into the implementation/operations space e.g. McKinsey Implementation. However, I am finding it difficult to find out more information about these practices online.

I was wondering if you were able to offer some more insight into the implemenation arm of consulting practices? (How many people do they take? What type of background do they hire? Is the process just as competitive? What projects do they tend to work on? What is pay like? Any other helpful pieces of advice welcomed)

Thanks again
Reply 535
Hi Rob,

What are the prospects like for someone with a 1st class degree from UCL in Economics looking to go into MBB?

Thanks
Reply 536
Original post by A_25
Hi Rob,

What are the prospects like for someone with a 1st class degree from UCL in Economics looking to go into MBB?

Thanks


Strong
Reply 537
Hi Rob

At what point do strategy consulting firms stop filtering people out for having low A Levels? For example, after graduating with a first then starting a masters degree, would they still filter someone out who had low A Levels?
My A Levels are A*AB, I'm on track for a first at LSE. If I got a first then did a masters, would I still get filtered out because of the A Levels?

Thanks
Hi Rob,

What internship would be more beneficial for FT recruitment - public equities at an Asian SWF in NY, or Strategy& in London (Within the M&A strategy team though)

Thanks!
Reply 539
Original post by h3110
Hi Rob

At what point do strategy consulting firms stop filtering people out for having low A Levels? For example, after graduating with a first then starting a masters degree, would they still filter someone out who had low A Levels?
My A Levels are A*AB, I'm on track for a first at LSE. If I got a first then did a masters, would I still get filtered out because of the A Levels?

Thanks


I think you would be ok IF you got a first from the LSE and a masters in a respected / analytical subject from a tier 1 institution (at a strong grade). That would help dilute the impact of your A-levels.

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