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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Why does animal suffering matter?


    Edit: also, the same logic holds that plants are morally important because all humans are alive.
    You could easily ask why does human suffering matter.

    Go ahead answer that sunshine.
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    (Original post by glebp)
    The capacity for an animal to feel pain or suffering is pretty much minimal.
    You cant just come on a thread, talk complete bs like its a fact, and then leave.

    The capacity for an animal to feel pain or suffering is minimal? Get out of here you ****wit.
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    (Original post by greatguy 550)
    You could easily ask why does human suffering matter.

    Go ahead answer that sunshine.
    We have to start from some axiom, and I take it as my axiom that the suffering of some humans matters. I cannot find a rational distinction between those humans and all other humans, therefore the suffering of all humans matters.

    However, it is a legitimate point of view to say that human suffering does not matter.
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    moral issues aside it is very expensive to put a man to death, far more expensive than life in jail. For that reason alone id rather spend the saved money on good people than wasting it on retribution.. even if they do deserve it in many cases.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Yes, and the suffering of your dog matters because it causes human suffering.
    Animal suffering is more important to me. My dogs suffering is more important than my own.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    We have to start from some axiom, and I take it as my axiom that the suffering of some humans matters. I cannot find a rational distinction between those humans and all other humans, therefore the suffering of all humans matters.

    However, it is a legitimate point of view to say that human suffering does not matter.
    Others can find the distinction between some humans mattering and others not.
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    (Original post by BlackHorseRoad)
    Animal suffering is more important to me. My dogs suffering is more important than my own.
    Okay, but what reflection does that have on the content of morality?
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    (Original post by AverageExcellence)
    moral issues aside it is very expensive to put a man to death, far more expensive than life in jail. For that reason alone id rather spend the saved money on good people than wasting it on retribution.. even if they do deserve it in many cases.
    Yeah with any luck they'll be gunned down in the street on their way home from prison.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Okay, but what reflection does that have on the content of morality?
    You can't pin point anything.
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    I have no issue with evil scum being killed, honestly guys, not one part of my heart dies, I don't cry myself to sleep, I don't feel the loss of a human life, it does not touch me in the soul, I don't expect you guys to understand.
    Fair enough if that's your opinion.
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    (Original post by Matrix123)
    Fair enough if that's your opinion.
    It is, I rejoice when evil people are given a one way ticket to the after life, I don't care what that makes me, all I know is, there is one less evil person walking the streets under the guise of so called liberal "rehabilitation"
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    It is, I rejoice when evil people are given a one way ticket to the after life, I don't care what that makes me, all I know is, there is one less evil person walking the streets under the guise of so called liberal "rehabilitation"
    I admire the strength behind your opinions but on this matter I think we can agree to disagree
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    (Original post by Implication)
    So in what sense do they deserve punishment? Saying that you personally want them to be punished isn't really the same thing!
    Some people do deserve to be punished and that punishment needs to be for the reminder of life. Nielson, Donald Forbes, Sutcliffe, the moors murderers, the Wests, the soham killers. Are you seriously suggesting there should be no punishment for their crimes? These monstrous types are beyond rehabilitation.
    If there is no punishment (deterrent for anti-social/criminality) then social structures will eventually disintegrate. While some cultures esp Nordic and Scandinavian ones put great emphasis on rehabilitation they still punish individuals for criminality. There has to be a balance. They just don't chuck people in prison for crimes that tend to be caused by desperation like shoplifting where poverty is a factor while in the uk the lower down the social ladder offenders are the more likely they are to go to jail.
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    (Original post by MockingJay-)
    What's your verdict? Is it right to kill someone for killing somebody?
    Yes! Absoloutely if all the evidence is conclusive and beyond doubt CCTV / DNA / Confession etc
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    (Original post by ozzyoscy)
    A kidnapper doesn't necessarily permanently deprive their victim of freedom. Would you like to be kidnapped?


    Please avoid using internet argument catchphrases and tactics such as 'clearly you don't understand' to someone saying something different to you. By that logic anyway there is equal chance you don't understand and I do (even though no one on the internet is ever wrong themselves).
    What are you on about? I was referring to a specific part of the mens rea for theft.

    There is no possibility that I don't understand and you do. I was talking about theft, I can verify what I said with statute




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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Yes! Absoloutely if all the evidence is conclusive and beyond doubt CCTV / DNA / Confession etc
    There can never be evidence beyond all doubt


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    There is no possibility that I don't understand and you do.
    Ah good old internet.
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    (Original post by greatguy 550)
    You cant just come on a thread, talk complete bs like its a fact, and then leave.

    The capacity for an animal to feel pain or suffering is minimal? Get out of here you ****wit.
    3 of your family members in a room versus 3 goldfish in a fish bowl.

    I killed one of your family members and a goldfish. (hypothetically speaking of course)

    Who will experience more physical pain and more emotional trauma?
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    (Original post by ozzyoscy)
    Ah good old internet.
    I know what you mean. Full of people who have never studied a day of law in their lives arguing law with people who have training contracts at magic circle law firms
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    (Original post by glebp)
    3 of your family members in a room versus 3 goldfish in a fish bowl.

    I killed one of your family members and a goldfish. (hypothetically speaking of course)

    Who will experience more physical pain and more emotional trauma?
    Depends who the family member is. I have some ****ers in my family who I can't wait to see the back of and would pick my 13 year old goldfish over any day.

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