The 'State' and the 'government'
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Original post by MathematicsKiller
No, the Government is only part of the state.
The state is made up of three fundamental parts:
The Government.
The Legislature.
The Executives.
The state is made up of three fundamental parts:
The Government.
The Legislature.
The Executives.
You're forgetting the general public! Someone has been on the Rousseau I am guessing?
Original post by c0nfus3d
is it a unitary state?
No, there is a federal government and only one authority in it.
Original post by rajandkwameali
No, there is a federal government and only one authority in it.
The UK is a unitary state; the small powers the Welsh Assembly andScottish Parliament have are delegated to them by parliament, the central government has authority over them.
Dear God. There is so much misinformation in this thread. Let me attempt to put this right.
On your first question; is the government the state. In short, no. The Government is simply the executive of the state, the administration pulling the strings of the state. What the state is, exactly, is quite a complex topic. If this is for an essay you are working on, I suggest you do some reading on this specific subject.
On your second question; yes, Britain is a sovereign state. That is, if by Britain you mean the United Kingdom. I can't believe this is even being disputed. It is also a unitary state.
If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. Or if you prefer, you can send me a PM.
On your first question; is the government the state. In short, no. The Government is simply the executive of the state, the administration pulling the strings of the state. What the state is, exactly, is quite a complex topic. If this is for an essay you are working on, I suggest you do some reading on this specific subject.
On your second question; yes, Britain is a sovereign state. That is, if by Britain you mean the United Kingdom. I can't believe this is even being disputed. It is also a unitary state.
If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. Or if you prefer, you can send me a PM.
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OP, I'm quoting the following posts below because I don't believe they are accurate. I wouldn't want you to put the wrong things in your essay (if it is an essay you are doing).
They are not.
You are getting there, but I'm drawing attention to this post because you have mistaken England for the United Kingdom.
Parliament and the Supreme Court are not part of the government.
Well, I wouldn't put it like that. What the state provides are products of the state, they are not the state itself.
What? No. It's not.
The UK is not a federation.
Original post by Aj12
Yeah I would say they are the same.
They are not.
Original post by Bobifier
I think they are subtly different in as much as that the state usually refers to the entire governing body of England, while the government is something that changes every five years. The government is the controlling force of the state.
You are getting there, but I'm drawing attention to this post because you have mistaken England for the United Kingdom.
Original post by rajandkwameali
The government is the three branches (Sovereign/PM and Cabinet, Parliament, the Supreme Court), and the state is the institutions. So things like government departments, the NHS, etc.
Parliament and the Supreme Court are not part of the government.
Original post by Planar
No. The state is everything state-provided, including things like embassies and the NHS.
Well, I wouldn't put it like that. What the state provides are products of the state, they are not the state itself.
Original post by rajandkwameali
No, it's a colony/depedent territory.
What? No. It's not.
Original post by rajandkwameali
No, there is a federal government and only one authority in it.
The UK is not a federation.
Original post by Stratos
Britain is a island.
Okay, let's address the terminology:
Great Britain is an island.
The United Kingdom is a sovereign state consisting of the island of Great Britain and the North Eastern area of the island of Ireland known as Northern Ireland. The full title of this sovereign state is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Britain is simply a word that is most often used as a synonym for the United Kingdom.
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Original post by Teveth
Well, I wouldn't put it like that. What the state provides are products of the state, they are not the state itself.
Well, I wouldn't put it like that. What the state provides are products of the state, they are not the state itself.
Well I would put it like that. Most importantly, how would Ed Miliband put it?
Original post by Planar
Well I would put it like that. Most importantly, how would Ed Miliband put it?
I wouldn't. "The state is everything state-provided" - bit of a contradiction do you not think?
Original post by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher
I wouldn't. "The state is everything state-provided" - bit of a contradiction do you not think?
I don't think so. It's the same principle as the aphorism "stupid is as stupid does".
OP, just use "The Separation of Powers" in your essay (The link I gave you).
The people in this thread are just writing about what they THINK the state is, whereas I provided a decent source (the wikipedia article).
The people in this thread are just writing about what they THINK the state is, whereas I provided a decent source (the wikipedia article).
Original post by MathematicsKiller
OP, just use "The Separation of Powers" in your essay (The link I gave you).
The people in this thread are just writing about what they THINK the state is, whereas I provided a decent source (the wikipedia article).
The people in this thread are just writing about what they THINK the state is, whereas I provided a decent source (the wikipedia article).
Your first post was completely wrong though?
Nothing needed to be said after Bobifier's post, as he gave the correct answer.
Original post by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher
Your first post was completely wrong though?
Nothing needed to be said after Bobifier's post, as he gave the correct answer.
Nothing needed to be said after Bobifier's post, as he gave the correct answer.
Original post by Bobifier
I think they are subtly different in as much as that the state usually refers to the entire governing body of England, while the government is something that changes every five years. The government is the controlling force of the state.
This is not completely accurate... "state usually refers to the entire governing body of England".
Original post by MathematicsKiller
This is not completely accurate... "state usually refers to the entire governing body of England".
Replace England with UK and it is. The government govern the people who are in some ways governed by parliamentary decisions and both the government and the people are subject to laws of the judiciary.
Original post by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher
Replace England with UK and it is. The government govern the people who are in some ways governed by parliamentary decisions and both the government and the people are subject to laws of the judiciary.
It's still missing the civil service.
The civil service is a vital part of the state. For example, the civil service includes law enforcement, without which the state cannot function.
Original post by gladders
Government - the core executive that is responsible for the enforcement of decisions.
Civil service - the implementers and enforcers of policy and providers of services (includes Armed Forces and Diplomatic Corps)
Legislature - holds both of these to account.
Civil service - the implementers and enforcers of policy and providers of services (includes Armed Forces and Diplomatic Corps)
Legislature - holds both of these to account.
Is it not? (forgive me if it's wrong)
Legislature- make law;they enact legislation
Executive- implement law;they execute the law
Judiciary- interpret law;they adjudicate on the meaning of the law.
Original post by Aj12
Yeah I would say they are the same.
I dunno, I'd say that the government is the party ruling the state?
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