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Plagarism - cheating?

Reply 20

Manatee

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xemilyx

i've learnt something new then :smile:

thanks for that manatee :smile:

i dont think i have ever plagerised im too scared i would get caught and wouldnt want to take that risk, nut it is essentially cheating to answer the OP's question.

You're welcome :smile:

. The only reason I know so much about plagiarism is because UCL constantly drums it into us that plagiarism is evil! I'm now so paranoid that I daren't use anything that I can't reference. The result, of course, is an essay with a stupid number of footnotes...

Reply 21

Socrates

OP

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Manatee

You're welcome :smile:

. The only reason I know so much about plagiarism is because UCL constantly drums it into us that plagiarism is evil! I'm now so paranoid that I daren't use anything that I can't reference. The result, of course, is an essay with a stupid number of footnotes...

All universities do understandably....yet SOAS don't particularly like footnotes - they prefer the Harvard style referencing, which is inevitably pushing the wordcount all of the time.

Reply 22

xemilyx

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Socrates

All universities do understandably....yet SOAS don't particularly like footnotes - they prefer the Harvard style referencing, which is inevitably pushing the wordcount all of the time.

what is that then?

Reply 23

Socrates

OP

17

xemilyx

what is that then?

"the quote"(Author, year: page no)

Reply 24

erk

14

Search on google found;

http://www.bournemouth.ac.uk/library/using/harvard_system.html

we use it at LCC too.

Reply 25

LittleMiss

7

I was told by a lecturer that you can plagarise yourself? If this is the case then can it be argued that anything we ever write should not be copied without citations?

Reply 26

la fille danse

17

LittleMiss

I was told by a lecturer that you can plagarise yourself? If this is the case then can it be argued that anything we ever write should not be copied without citations?

In my department, if we've made certain points or talked about a specific novel extensively in one piece of coursework, we can't make the same points or talk about the same novel in another coursework or an exam. But I think that's just so we don't rely too heavily on one novel and ignore the other ones in the syllabus. Thus having to do more work. Bah.

Reply 27

La Trampa

18

it's bad to plagarise.if it was your work someone copied and they got better grades you'd feel bad.we've done two weeks of plagarism in class grrr...i know i still ended up plagarising in my essay but it was by accident.i did put the authors in my biblography though so does that count as partial plagarism?

Reply 28

yawn

17

Whilst we can consider the work of others when we come to work on the essay or whatever, it is ethically wrong to use their work and present it as our own.

If we acknowledge our source, what are we left with? Nothing - unless we have applied some of our own thoughts into the process.

Many employers have said that those they recruit do not live up to the expectations they inferred. Of course they won't if they are unable to think for themselves. They will always get caught out one way or another.

Intelligence comes from within oneself - everything else is false!

btw - thanks Socrates for taking the lead with this thread. :smile:

Reply 29

Profesh

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Socrates

Define plagarism.

Plagiarism, mis-spelled?

Reply 30

gringalet

12

Plagiarism has always happened, and we're kind of always doing it, whenever we say or write anything. There was an amusing article in the Guardian the other week about it, actually: http://books.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1648818,00.html

On a serious note, I've always wondered, what if you've had an idea of your own, and then you read exactly the same idea in some criticism or whatever? I suppose in coursework at school I've always written 'As so-and-so says, blah blah...'.

Reply 31

thebucketwoman

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Socrates

Inspired by yawn.
.

Inspired eh?

I think you're plagarising.

Reply 32

Socrates

OP

17

thebucketwoman

Inspired eh?

I think you're plagarising.

Reply 33

Stranksy

Anyone who gets caught by plagarism is a wee bit lazy;

All you have to do is find what your looking for, read it, understand it, and rewrite it your own words (doesnt mean add/minus a few words here n there, completey reword it). The software detects continous phrases, but if you reword it completey, it wont detect this, its not as smart as human :smile:

Reply 34

yawn

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Stranksy

Anyone who gets caught by plagarism is a wee bit lazy;

All you have to do is find what your looking for, read it, understand it, and rewrite it your own words (doesnt mean add/minus a few words here n there, completey reword it). The software detects continous phrases, but if you reword it completey, it wont detect this, its not as smart as human :smile:

Anyone who plagiarises is not only a 'wee bit lazy' - but in your context, also deceitful. :frown:

Reply 35

technik

13

its only cheating if you dont quote it.

so, just put in the source and then re-word it if you really want.

alternatively be really special and say what you think. someone else has probably said it before but ah well.

Reply 36

Scheherazade

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Poica

According to a lecture I had. For an hour.

I had that lecture!
From an american woman with an extremely annoying Ruby Wax-like accent.

Reply 37

Wineblood

I was told that, as a programmer, out of everything I will ever write, less than 5% will be my own work. The rest will be re-used code from somewhere else and slightly rewritten.
So I really don't know.
Stealing ideas/work without acknowledgement is cheating, but I'm all for the sharing of ideas so I wouldn't mind having my work being used by other people.

Reply 38

ChemistBoy

16

Wineblood

I was told that, as a programmer, out of everything I will ever write, less than 5% will be my own work. The rest will be re-used code from somewhere else and slightly rewritten.
So I really don't know.
Stealing ideas/work without acknowledgement is cheating, but I'm all for the sharing of ideas so I wouldn't mind having my work being used by other people.