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Is the reason why this doesn't produce NADPH and only a small amount of ATP due to the fact that it only involves PSI therefore photolysis doesn't occur to produce protons so there aren't enough protons to make any NADP or much ATP.
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The same electrons are recycled back into PSI via a electron carrier, making a cycle. So the electrons don't go along the rest of the electron transport chain to end up in the stroma which means they aren't available to reduce NADP. The ATP is made in this by the ATP Synthase enzyme that combines ADP and an inorganic phosphate group together.
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What benefits would cyclic phosphorylation have for the plant, or why does it begin to happen
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The same electrons are recycled back into PSI via a electron carrier, making a cycle. So the electrons don't go along the rest of the electron transport chain to end up in the stroma which means they aren't available to reduce NADP. The ATP is made in this by the ATP Synthase enzyme that combines ADP and an inorganic phosphate group together.
How do you make ATP with no proton gradient
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What benefits would cyclic phosphorylation have for the plant, or why does it begin to happen
when no water is available?
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when no water is available?
Oh yeah doh
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How do you make ATP with no proton gradient
The diagram I have in my revision book shows H+ ions being taken into the stroma by ATP Synthase in the same way as Non-cyclic photophosphorylation (in chemiosmosis to generate ATP) but I'm not sure where the protons come from.

Are you sure photolysis doesn't occur in cyclic photophosphorylation? I can't think of where else they would come from
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The diagram I have in my revision book shows H+ ions being taken into the stroma by ATP Synthase in the same way as Non-cyclic photophosphorylation (in chemiosmosis to generate ATP) but I'm not sure where the protons come from.

Are you sure photolysis doesn't occur in cyclic photophosphorylation? I can't think of where else they would come from
My textbook and a load of mark schemes say cyclic= no photolysis.
Is your revision book CGP?
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My textbook and a load of mark schemes say cyclic= no photolysis.
Is your revision book CGP?
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Oh right

Yeah it's CGP

I really don't know where the protons come from then but that's how it shows generation of ATP in cyclic photophosphorylation in the CGP book
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Oh right

Yeah it's CGP

I really don't know where the protons come from then but that's how it shows generation of ATP in cyclic photophosphorylation in the CGP book
My CGP book shows H+ too.
Oh well let's just hope that there isn't an 8 mark question on that.
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My CGP book shows H+ too.
Oh well let's just hope that there isn't an 8 mark question on that.
Yeah lol and I really hope because it's not in the books that we don't need to know it for the exam
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Cyclic photophosphorylation occurs when there is no NADP available to act as the final electron acceptor. So the electron from photosystem 1 replaces itself. Hence why only ATP is produced in cyclic photophosphorylation and not Reduced NADP.
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If I remember correctly, cyclic photophosphorylation is used when there is not enough ATP produced in the light dependent phase for the calvin cycle. Without sufficient ATP, the calvin cycle would stop. Also, NADPH2 would begin to build up. So in cyclic photophosphorylation, only photosystem I is used, and the electrons released from it is recycled back to the same photosystem. This process produces ATP but not NADPH2. Hope this helps
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