Girl who downed ten Jagerbombs in two-for-one offer died and brought back to life

Original post by cuckoo99

£2.20 for 2 Jagerbombs !!! ****ing hell i need to move to Yeovil, Somerset :biggrin:

That's the first thing that grabbed my attention tbh!

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Original post by aeon439

It didn't do her a lot of good though did it?

I assume we're not going to now say it was all a faked hospital trip
and near-death experience?

I think some people on here have got a serious alcohol problem

I've seen it before with cannabis smokers - the most vicious defence of their vice comes from those with the worst problems

and I'm a person wanting people to live to see old age ie not your enemy!

You quoted me yet chose to give an completely irrelevant soliloquy that was meaningless, congratulations you've accepted your earlier point about blaming alcohol was wrong

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Original post by lucaf

except you clearly do not have any concept of what excess drinking is, nor have any clue what is going on in this particular scenario.

Alcohol does not cause heart attacks, caffeine does cause heart attacks. So why on earth are you blaming alchohol?

http://www.drinkaware.co.uk/check-the-facts/health-effects-of-alcohol/effects-on-the-body/heart-disease

Long-term excessive drinking increases your risk of developing problems with your heart

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Drinking more than the lower risk guidelines can cause abnormal heart rhythms, high blood pressure, damage to the heart muscle and other diseases such as stroke, liver problems and some cancers

So the alcohol may have weakened her heart in the first place

http://www.drinkaware.co.uk/understand-your-drinking/is-your-drinking-a-problem/binge-drinking

What are the effects of binge drinking?

Some studies show that drinking a large amount of alcohol over a short period of time may be significantly worse for your health than frequently drinking small quantities.
Getting very drunk can affect your physical and mental health:

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Accidents and falls are common because being drunk affects your balance and co-ordination. For example, alcohol is the single biggest cause of accidents at home. (3)

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In extreme cases, you could die. Overdosing on alcohol can stop you breathing or stop your heart, or you could choke on your vomit.

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Binge drinking can affect your mood and your memory and in the longer term can lead to serious mental health problems.

More commonly, binge drinking can lead to anti-social, aggressive and violent behaviour.
Alcohol is a factor in:

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One in three (30%) sexual offences

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One in three (33%) burglaries

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One in two (50%) street crimes.

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Original post by aeon439

http://www.drinkaware.co.uk/check-the-facts/health-effects-of-alcohol/effects-on-the-body/heart-disease

Long-term excessive drinking increases your risk of developing problems with your heart

•

Drinking more than the lower risk guidelines can cause abnormal heart rhythms, high blood pressure, damage to the heart muscle and other diseases such as stroke, liver problems and some cancers

So the alcohol may have weakened her heart in the first place

http://www.drinkaware.co.uk/understand-your-drinking/is-your-drinking-a-problem/binge-drinking

What are the effects of binge drinking?

Some studies show that drinking a large amount of alcohol over a short period of time may be significantly worse for your health than frequently drinking small quantities.
Getting very drunk can affect your physical and mental health:

•

Accidents and falls are common because being drunk affects your balance and co-ordination. For example, alcohol is the single biggest cause of accidents at home. (3)

•

In extreme cases, you could die. Overdosing on alcohol can stop you breathing or stop your heart, or you could choke on your vomit.

•

Binge drinking can affect your mood and your memory and in the longer term can lead to serious mental health problems.

More commonly, binge drinking can lead to anti-social, aggressive and violent behaviour.
Alcohol is a factor in:

•

One in three (30%) sexual offences

•

One in three (33%) burglaries

•

One in two (50%) street crimes.

is two hours an a club long term? no. this incident very clearly had nothing to do with the alcohol and more to do with the copious amounts of energy drink served with it. while excessive alcohol consumption can cause heart disease that is after years of excessive drinking, which is clearly not the case here.

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Reply 64

Original post by Wade-

You quoted me yet chose to give an completely irrelevant soliloquy that was meaningless, congratulations you've accepted your earlier point about blaming alcohol was wrong

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No you aren't listening so it's a waste of time but others might read the links I've posted and have a bit of a think

I realise I am in the very boring parent position here so no chance of anyone even accepting facts on this matter

Without the alcohol in the equation that girl would not have ended up in hospital - that's fairly obvious to me and that it isn't to many here is quite shocking

you'll either grow out of this infantile attitude towards alchohol and go on to have productive lives or you'll have serious problems

I can see you are of the mentality whereby nothing must spoil your fun though, even people nearly dying

lemmings jumping off a cliff comes to mind but I 'd hate to have to spend a long time explaining the metaphor as people on this thread are clearly not the brightest

Reply 65

Original post by lucaf

is two hours an a club long term? no. this incident very clearly had nothing to do with the alcohol and more to do with the coious amounts of energy drink served with it. while excessive alcohol consumption can cause heart disease that is after years of excessive drinking, which is clearly not the case here.

Stop being so disingenuous

it's fairly obvious this wouldn't be the first time she'd drunk to excess!

it's the fact this kind of thing is the norm that's the problem and here you all are seeking to ensure it remains the norm - well done you for encouraging binge drinking - how very socially responsible of you!

alcohol is essentially a poison, far more dangerous than caffeine and yet you desperately blame the energy drink rather than the obvious main contender - your beloved alcohol

it's like watching a drug addict desperately lick particles of heroin off the
floor

very sad

defend away but you have the problem here, not me

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It's £1.80 for a spirit and mixer at ULU on Fridays!

Reply 67

Original post by aeon439

Stop being so disingenuous

it's fairly obvious this wouldn't be the first time she'd drunk to excess!

it's the fact this kind of thing is the norm that's the problem and here you all are seeking to ensure it remains the norm - well done you for encouraging binge drinking - how very socially responsible of you!

alcohol is essentially a poison, far more dangerous than caffeine and yet you desperately blame the energy drink rather than the obvious main contender - your beloved alcohol

it's like watching a drug addict desperately lick particles of heroin off the
floor

very sad

defend away but you have the problem here, not me

not the first time is not the same as years of heavy alcoholism. If occasional binge drinking caused heart attacks this wouldn't be a front page story, the only reason this is newsworthy is that it is unusual.

The risks of heart attacks associated with caffeine are well known, and while alcohol has a wide range of negative consequences heart disease is an area where caffeine is far more significant.

And why do you assume I have a problem?

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Original post by lucaf

not the first time is not the same as years of heavy alcoholism. If occasional binge drinking caused heart attacks this wouldn't be a front page story, the only reason this is newsworthy is that it is unusual.

The risks of heart attacks associated with caffeine are well known, and while alcohol has a wide range of negative consequences heart disease is an area where caffeine is far more significant.

And why do you assume I have a problem?

Because you seem to be willfuly ignorant of the effects alcohol can have at any age

To state there's more risk of a heart attack from caffeine than alcohol is incredible

post me links to stats that prove this please

binge drinking and dying from it is far more common than you think

http://www.alcoholpolicy.net/2013/05/statistics-on-alcohol-england-2012-admissions-still-rising-and-increasing-drug-treatment-prescribing.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216175/Now-hes-dying-feet-friends-joke-A-harrowing-dispatch-binge-drink-Britain.html

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/07July/Pages/media-blames-ladettes-as-alcohol-related-deaths-rise.aspx

Please show me equivalent links for deaths from caffeine and please show
me even a link to this 'common knowledge' that caffeine can cause heart attacks

I feel like a Salvation Army worker in a pub full of drunks

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Original post by aeon439

defend away but you have the problem here, not me

Why are you defending caffeine? It's a potentially harmful drug.

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Reply 70

Original post by n00

Why are you defending caffeine? It's a potentially harmful drug. You don't have a problem with that as well as the maple syrup do you?

I'm saying it's not as dangerous as alcohol and asked for links to stats on caffeine's 'dangerousness', which haven't appeared yet

as usual I evidence my argument with facts whereas the opposing argument appears to be mainly insults

very convincing I must say :wink:

Hopefully there's been enough info posted now for people to be able to make their own minds up

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2285854/Caffeine-dangerous-regulated-like-alcohol-cigarettes-warns-leading-expert.html :eek:

Original post by aeon439

I'm saying it's not as dangerous as alcohol and asked for links to stats on caffeine's 'dangerousness', which haven't appeared yet

as usual I evidence my argument with facts whereas the opposing argument appears to be mainly insults

very convincing I must say :wink:

Hopefully there's been enough info posted now for people to be able to make their own minds up

How much caffeine do you consume?

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Original post by aeon439

Because you seem to be willfuly ignorant of the effects alcohol can have at any age

To state there's more risk of a heart attack from caffeine than alcohol is incredible

post me links to stats that prove this please

binge drinking and dying from it is far more common than you think

http://www.alcoholpolicy.net/2013/05/statistics-on-alcohol-england-2012-admissions-still-rising-and-increasing-drug-treatment-prescribing.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216175/Now-hes-dying-feet-friends-joke-A-harrowing-dispatch-binge-drink-Britain.html

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/07July/Pages/media-blames-ladettes-as-alcohol-related-deaths-rise.aspx

Please show me equivalent links for deaths from caffeine and please show
me even a link to this 'common knowledge' that caffeine can cause heart attacks

I feel like a Salvation Army worker in a pub full of drunks

http://heartdisease.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-diseases/Caffeine-and-Heart-Disease-Is-Caffeine-Safe-for-People-With-Heart-Disease-.htm

American Heart Association says more than a couple of cups of coffee a day is risky

http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20060815/coffee-may-trigger-heart-attack

caffeine increases heart attack risk.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20020801/is-caffeine-bad-for-your-heart

caffeine increases blood pressure and heart rate, raises risks of heart disease

none of your links say anything about binge drinking causing heart attacks. I know binge drinking can be dangerous, which is why I keep my drinking to safe levels and I don't know why you are assuming otherwise.

ten jaegerbombs is not, at least for a one off, a dangerous amount of alcohol. it may not be healthy to drink that much regularly, but it is not enough alcohol to cause any acute effects such as alcohol poisoning, and certainly would not cause a heart attack.

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Original post by lucaf

http://heartdisease.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-diseases/Caffeine-and-Heart-Disease-Is-Caffeine-Safe-for-People-With-Heart-Disease-.htm

American Heart Association says more than a couple of cups of coffee a day is risky

http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20060815/coffee-may-trigger-heart-attack

caffeine increases heart attack risk.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20020801/is-caffeine-bad-for-your-heart

caffeine increases blood pressure and heart rate, raises risks of heart disease

none of your links say anything about binge drinking causing heart attacks. I know binge drinking can be dangerous, which is why I keep my drinking to safe levels and I don't know why you are assuming otherwise.

ten jaegerbombs is not, at least for a one off, a dangerous amount of alcohol. it may not be healthy to drink that much regularly, but it is not enough alcohol to cause any acute effects such as alcohol poisoning, and certainly would not cause a heart attack.

Caffeine has not been proven to cause heart attacks

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/HealthyEating/Caffeine_UCM_305888_Article.jsp

This is what the American Heart association actually say:-

Caffeine has many metabolic effects. For example,

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It stimulates the central nervous system.

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It releases free fatty acids from adipose (fatty) tissue.

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It affects the kidneys, increasing urination, which can lead to dehydration.

Caffeine is in coffee, tea, soft drinks, chocolate and some nuts. Whether high caffeine intake increases the risk of coronary heart disease is still under study.

Many studies have been done to see if there's a direct link between caffeine, coffee drinking and coronary heart disease. The results are conflicting. This may be due to the way the studies were done and confounding dietary factors. However, moderate coffee drinking (1–2 cups per day) doesn't seem to be harmful.

Caffeine-habituated individuals can experience "caffeine withdrawal" 12–24 hours after the last dose of caffeine. It resolves within 24–48 hours. The most prominent symptom is headache. They can also feel anxiety, fatigue, drowsiness and depression.

Caffeine is not the main risk to peoples' health here but alcohol clearly is, given the evidence I've posted and it's clear that people are just sticking their heads in the sand about it

This is very concerning

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Original post by aeon439

Caffeine-habituated individuals can experience "caffeine withdrawal" 12–24 hours after the last dose of caffeine. It resolves within 24–48 hours. The most prominent symptom is headache. They can also feel anxiety, fatigue, drowsiness and depression.

And psychosis http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19407709 :eek:

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Original post by aeon439

Caffeine has not been proven to cause heart attacks

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/HealthyEating/Caffeine_UCM_305888_Article.jsp

This is what the American Heart association actually say:-

Caffeine has many metabolic effects. For example,

•

It stimulates the central nervous system.

•

It releases free fatty acids from adipose (fatty) tissue.

•

It affects the kidneys, increasing urination, which can lead to dehydration.

Caffeine is in coffee, tea, soft drinks, chocolate and some nuts. Whether high caffeine intake increases the risk of coronary heart disease is still under study.

Many studies have been done to see if there's a direct link between caffeine, coffee drinking and coronary heart disease. The results are conflicting. This may be due to the way the studies were done and confounding dietary factors. However, moderate coffee drinking (1–2 cups per day) doesn't seem to be harmful.

Caffeine-habituated individuals can experience "caffeine withdrawal" 12–24 hours after the last dose of caffeine. It resolves within 24–48 hours. The most prominent symptom is headache. They can also feel anxiety, fatigue, drowsiness and depression.

it increases heart rate and blood pressure temporarily and in large quantities can induce arrythmias, which can cause a heart attack in at risk individuals. long term overconsumption would increase risk of heart disease in the same way anything else that increases blood pressure does.

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http://www.alcoholpolicy.net/2013/05/statistics-on-alcohol-england-2012-admissions-still-rising-and-increasing-drug-treatment-prescribing.html

"long-term conditions such as cardiac, hypertensive or cardiac admissions show clear upwards trends."

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/More/MyHeartandStrokeNews/Alcohol-and-Heart-Disease_UCM_305173_Article.jsp

Drinking too much alcohol can raise the levels of some fats in the blood (triglycerides). It can also lead to high blood pressure, heart failure and an increased calorie intake. (Consuming too many calories can lead to obesity and a higher risk of developing diabetes.) Excessive drinking and binge drinking can lead to stroke. Other serious problems include fetal alcohol syndrome, cardiomyopathy, cardiac arrhythmia and sudden cardiac death

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Clearly both alcohol and caffeine aren't good in excess for the heart so to combine the two is a major mistake

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Original post by n00

And psychosis http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19407709 :eek:

Cannabis can cause pscyhosis as well but you won't get the average user to accept that and yet you blithely accept it of caffeine

Irony of the highest order!

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