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Mechanics limiting problem with variable radius.

Okay so I'm trying to solve this problem and have ran into some difficulties.

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Using impulse change of momentum principles I managed to figure out that the equation of motion for the hailstone is

dvdt+vmdmdt=g\displaystyle \frac{dv}{dt}+\frac{v}{m}\frac{dm}{dt}=g however I don't know how to work out dmdt\displaystyle \frac{dm}{dt} I thought it must have something to do with the differential equation given about the radius in the question but I couldn't figure it out and got stuck.

Presumably when I figure out dmdt\displaystyle \frac{dm}{dt} I can just solve to find v(t)\displaystyle v(t) and take the limit as t\displaystyle t \rightarrow \infty and the answer should drop out.

Any help?
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Original post by alex2100x
Okay so I'm trying to solve this problem and have ran into some difficulties.

Spoiler



Using impulse change of momentum principles I managed to figure out that the equation of motion for the hailstone is

dvdt+vmdmdt=g\displaystyle \frac{dv}{dt}+\frac{v}{m}\frac{dm}{dt}=g however I don't know how to work out dmdt\displaystyle \frac{dm}{dt} I thought it must have something to do with the differential equation given about the radius in the question but I couldn't figure it out and got stuck.

Presumably when I figure out dmdt\displaystyle \frac{dm}{dt} I can just solve to find v(t)\displaystyle v(t) and take the limit as t\displaystyle t \rightarrow \infty and the answer should drop out.

Any help?


Use the fact that m=k*(4/3 pi r^3)
Reply 2
Original post by alex2100x
Okay so I'm trying to solve this problem and have ran into some difficulties.

Spoiler



Using impulse change of momentum principles I managed to figure out that the equation of motion for the hailstone is

dvdt+vmdmdt=g\displaystyle \frac{dv}{dt}+\frac{v}{m}\frac{dm}{dt}=g however I don't know how to work out dmdt\displaystyle \frac{dm}{dt} I thought it must have something to do with the differential equation given about the radius in the question but I couldn't figure it out and got stuck.

Presumably when I figure out dmdt\displaystyle \frac{dm}{dt} I can just solve to find v(t)\displaystyle v(t) and take the limit as t\displaystyle t \rightarrow \infty and the answer should drop out.

Any help?


Also, you could probably use t tends to infinity for the limiting value, or you could use the fact acceleration is zero at the limit, so dv/dt =0
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Original post by Gome44
Use the fact that m=k*(4/3 pi r^3)


Where does the k come from? (4/3 pi r^3) is obviously the volume? so is k the density? is this obvious or am I just going mad???
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Original post by alex2100x
Where does the k come from? (4/3 pi r^3) is obviously the volume? so is k the density? is this obvious or am I just going mad???


Mass = density x volume

but note that in your DE you have (v/m) multiplying dm/dt so even though you don't know the density, it will cancel out in your working - just call it ρ\rho or something.

You can work out rate of change of volume using the chain rule.
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Original post by davros
Mass = density x volume

but note that in your DE you have (v/m) multiplying dm/dt so even though you don't know the density, it will cancel out in your working - just call it ρ\rho or something.

You can work out rate of change of volume using the chain rule.


got it cheers lads.

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