Zhao Ziyang and Tiananmen Watch

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What do you mean when you say "~~~~~"?
I mean that i quite agree with what he said

Sorry for my English~~
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So do any of the chinese people on here believe that the government are right to have kept the guy under house arrest...?

would you prefer a democratic system in your country where you would be able to elect the leaders that you choose?
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So do any of the chinese people on here believe that the government are right to have kept the guy under house arrest...?

would you prefer a democratic system in your country where you would be able to elect the leaders that you choose?
Well I'm more for the second choice, but I suspect my opinions aren't too valid since I've grown up in England.
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So do any of the chinese people on here believe that the government are right to have kept the guy under house arrest...?

would you prefer a democratic system in your country where you would be able to elect the leaders that you choose?

But it's not the proper or right time for China to be as democratic as wester countries.
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But it's not the proper or right time for China to be as democratic as wester countries.
So, when will it be the right time?

And even if the country is not democratic, don't you think it should allow freedom of speech and respect human rights? Granted, a overly quick transition to democracy might have a destabilising effect on China, but surely, a kind of "enlightened despotism" would be a good solution that could be applied straightaway.
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(Original post by 旗人天相)
Of course yes !!
Oh god it seems that China is still in the middle age in european's eyes
Chinese people weren't allowed to surf the net freely in the middle ages!?!?! Shocking
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(Original post by 旗人天相)
But it's not the proper or right time for China to be as democratic as wester countries.
because 'the revolution' hasnt happened yet?
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because 'the revolution' hasnt happened yet?
what good will giving a vote to an uneducated farmer from some western province be when he has no political knowledge what so ever. and there are alot of them in china. it would only create chaos.
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haha i love Paradox games: Hearts of Iron, Victoria, Europa Universalis etc...


but on Victoria, Tibet etc.. are independant, but i usually swallow them up as the British empire while coming from the south from india
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haha i love Paradox games: Hearts of Iron, Victoria, Europa Universalis etc...


but on Victoria, Tibet etc.. are independant, but i usually swallow them up as the British empire while coming from the south from india
you've got that hearts if iron game?? i want to try i t, sounds fun!!
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haha yeh i got it, it is a good game, but Victoria is better,


you should download them
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haha yeh i got it, it is a good game, but Victoria is better,


you should download them
whats victoria?? i've never heard of it, i like these kinda games. i used to be obcessed with civilization!!
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hey, i'm obbsessed with Civ also - and the exp. packs Play the World + Conquests


http://www.paradoxplaza.com/victoria.asp - there's the official site, check the forum etc...



it's an amazing game, various historical events happen and you can choose whether to follow them in the way with which they happenned in real life, or there is a fictional option e.g


during the American Civil war, the Trent affair, if you were playing as Britain you could choose to intervene on the side of the Confederates, which is very interesting,


or you could play as Spain and recapture the whole south American continent e.g war with Brazil, uruguay, chile etc... lol


but yeh - you could play as Tibet and declare independance from China and take them over...but that's only if your an amazing player lol



its like civ - but the system is much more advanced - a very complex economic system, free-trade/protectionism etc...and you can choose the freedoms allowed in your country etc.... whether to allow full sufferage or only voting according to wealth, and you can ban certain parties, but could cause a civil war lol


and there are different systems eg. you can be completley totaliterian as Japan for example, but then the people revolt and you have a revolution and become a republic/ communist state etc..
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(Original post by Fly By)
what good will giving a vote to an uneducated farmer from some western province be when he has no political knowledge what so ever. and there are alot of them in china. it would only create chaos.
I just couldn't agree with you more!!!
By the way are you from China ??
You seems know China l lot~~~
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hey sami i'm lookin for it on kazza now!! but i can find is porn!!
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hey sami i'm lookin for it on kazza now!! but i can find is porn!!


hahah don't use kazaa, use Overnet instead
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hahah don't use kazaa, use Overnet instead
oh, whats that?? its not like bittorrent is it?? coz that was a nightmare, in the end i had to get rid of it!
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(Original post by 旗人天相)
I just couldn't agree with you more!!!
By the way are you from China ??
You seems know China l lot~~~
no i'm not from china, i just know things
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oh, whats that?? its not like bittorrent is it?? coz that was a nightmare, in the end i had to get rid of it!

haha no - bittorrent is difficult to use yes,



go to http://www.overnet.com/ to get it - it's very simple to use, there is one big server so it just connects to that quickly then look for victoria - an empire under the sun
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haha no - bittorrent is difficult to use yes,

go to http://www.overnet.com/ to get it - it's very simple to use, there is one big server so it just connects to that quickly then look for victoria - an empire under the sun
ok i'll give it a go, so it works like kazza right? another annoying thing about kazaa is that there are some fake files!! :mad: you download something for hours and it turn out ot be something else!
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