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Migrant: 'All of France will be Muslim in 25 years.' 'Rome is the next target.'

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Original post by Gears265
I said safe to say, based on every left wing party (Labour, SNP, liberals, Greens ect.) and their policies, every politician in these parties, all major left wing leaders like Galloway (who people still vote for), the overwhelming majority of left wingers on TSR, all left wing media like The Guardian, Morning star, the Mirror, the Independent, BBC ect., and general opinion of the left overall. These are things you don't need evidence for. Corbyn was only at a Mosque the other day declaring his support for Islam (even though the room was split by gender looool).


You also said 'if you want to get into figures'; figures are objective, not subjective - what you have written here is subjective.
Original post by Gears265
Scraping the bottom of the barrel I see, strange though UKIP attract large chunks of poor working class but whatever lol


And the Tories? (Not that every Tory supporter is classist; I'm just ridiculing your 'stats')
Original post by Gears265
What I have written here is fact and does not need to be debated. All major left wing leaders Corbyn, Galloway, Sturgeon, Bennett, Fallon, Jones...have a love for Islam, no one can dispute that


Communism is an extreme of left wing ideology, and the official stance on religion of Communism is that no religion is allowed. Try again.

You also said 99% of lefties - I'm assuming that means the general population as well as leaders/MP's. Facts to back this up please.
Original post by Gears265
Scraping the bottom of the barrel I see, strange though UKIP attract large chunks of poor working class but whatever lol

Seems you fail to see why your previous comment was flawed...
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/satire
Original post by Gears265
I said safe to say, based on every left wing party (Labour, SNP, liberals, Greens ect.) and their policies, every politician in these parties, all major left wing leaders like Galloway (who people still vote for), the overwhelming majority of left wingers on TSR, all left wing media like The Guardian, Morning star, the Mirror, the Independent, BBC ect., and general opinion of the left overall. These are things you don't need facts for. Corbyn was only at a Mosque the other day declaring his support for Islam (even though the room was split by gender looool).


This sort of thing is deeply problematic and is what shows just much the left has lost its way


The left defined itself as the anti, the outsider, supports the poor, the women, the ethnic minorities and opposes the entrenched elite, the Church, Imperialism and in fact, these things are all very noble.


In the past decades it has backed Islam because of Islam's status as a minority religion in contrast to Christianity, Islamic Mujahideen fighting asymmetric warfare, but in reality, Islam is a far-right religion based on social hierarchy, extreme retributive justice and the maintenance of social order through an iron fist.
Original post by Gears265
I hate Tories so you can do what you want with them, all I know is I'm as poor as you can get and the UKIP candidates in my area don't hate me so there you go.


You know what, never mind, you're completely missing the point...
Original post by Gears265
Loool, what a load of bs, if the left were against religion, then they would not use every second of their day defending Islam. What was the first thing the left did after the Paris attacks while we were mourning, thats right, "nothing to do with Muslims", "muslims are the real victims", "Islam religion of peace"...ha try again


In the past the left opposed the social hegemony of the Christian Church for being repressive, I agree with this, in Communist Russia there were short term deals between the ruling party and Islamic Mosques to undermine the Orthodox Church (something I agree with, the Russian Orthodox Church was an oppressive force) but the long term goal would eventually have be to dispose of these to, to create a sort of religion of revolution.


In this country, Christians tend to be extremely liberal, we have female clergymen, gay clergymen, feminist clergymen so you being to feel that the modern left hates Christian culture because of its associate with the West, rather than because it is a truly oppressive, authoritarian force.
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Original post by Foo.mp3


Aye, albeit that the BBC main evening news have, now, dared to cover the calls of those like Trump to end this inter-civilsational experiment gone badly wrong (albeit in the form of slanted coverage using disparaging terms). Cue: parallels drawn to Nazi Germany (where reason fails to defeat right-wing rationale, try misrepresentation, hyperbolism, guilt, and horror, usually does the trick). The irony is, we're already living under quasi-ideological totalitarianism in the West (forced acceptance of any [leftie] narrative [and hence values, and norms] that the Crony Capitalist elites feel best serves their interests)


Talking about Trump, like he's a Nazi is a prime example, he's nothing at all like to Muslims what Hitler was to the Jewish people and to draw such a comparison is ironically deeply offensive.

The BBC's obsession with making out a rich, white man who bangs women half his age and says stupid stuff to be the absolute embodiment of evil, when there are daily crucifixions in the middle east, shows just how much the BBC's social commentary does not have the interests of the British people at heart.
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Original post by WhiteWorld
If I were in power I'd bulldoze every mosque, preferably with Muslims still inside


We would expel Muslims. If they don't leave, then simply deny them access to what they need to live and then they'll soon leave.

It is an invasion the sooner you wake up to reality the better


Hear hear!
Pretty distressing if this is true.

I wouldn't want my kids, friends or any other relative living under Islamic rules.
Original post by RulesforRadicals
In the past the left opposed the social hegemony of the Christian Church for being repressive, I agree with this, in Communist Russia there were short term deals between the ruling party and Islamic Mosques to undermine the Orthodox Church (something I agree with, the Russian Orthodox Church was an oppressive force) but the long term goal would eventually have be to dispose of these to, to create a sort of religion of revolution.


In this country, Christians tend to be extremely liberal, we have female clergymen, gay clergymen, feminist clergymen so you being to feel that the modern left hates Christian culture because of its associate with the West, rather than because it is a truly oppressive, authoritarian force.


Are you okay lmao I don't hate Christian culture - I'd actually debate the notion of the UK still being a Christian culture since the majority of people are atheist or agnostic.
Original post by Gears265
Loool, what a load of bs, if the left were against religion, then they would not use every second of their day defending Islam. What was the first thing the left did after the Paris attacks while we were mourning, thats right, "nothing to do with Muslims", "muslims are the real victims", "Islam religion of peace"...ha try again


Have another read. I said Communism, not 'the left'. I also said that Communism is a faction of the left; therefore your statement is untrue.

I don't spend any time defending Islam unless it needs defending. I believe people can believe whatever they like as long as they don't try and shove it down my throat (which applies to every evangelical) and as long as they aren't extremist.
Original post by abruiseonthesky
Are you okay lmao I don't hate Christian culture - I'd actually debate the notion of the UK still being a Christian culture since the majority of people are atheist or agnostic.


I didn't mean you personally, I mean the left on the whole. Russian revolutionaries fighting the Orthodox Church, French and later Latin American revolutionaries fighting the Catholic Church.


It's difficult to have a discussion if you don't see how, there exists a Christian culture even if the person partaking in that culture is not a believer or is a cultural Christian only.
Original post by RulesforRadicals
I didn't mean you personally, I mean the left on the whole. Russian revolutionaries fighting the Orthodox Church, French and later Latin American revolutionaries fighting the Catholic Church.


It's difficult to have a discussion if you don't see how, there exists a Christian culture even if the person partaking in that culture is not a believer or is a cultural Christian only.


But by saying 'the left', you implicate every single one of us.

Fighting an oppressive religious regime (which those were), whatever the religion =/= hating the west. I can disagree with the church's reach in our society (for example I disagree with all faith schools) and not 'hate the west'. It's a ridiculous thing to say imo.
Original post by Foo.mp3
but perhaps you're right and I shouldn't be so lazy


Eyyy look we finally agree on something! :tongue:
Original post by abruiseonthesky
But by saying 'the left', you implicate every single one of us.

Fighting an oppressive religious regime (which those were), whatever the religion =/= hating the west. I can disagree with the church's reach in our society (for example I disagree with all faith schools) and not 'hate the west'. It's a ridiculous thing to say imo.


I imply there is a common mentality not that it's every single member of the broad er...Church which is the left.


I wasn't even saying the left hates the West as such, I believe that fighting oppressive elements of Western governments has historically lead to a good outcome for many in the West. It's really good for example that we don't kill gay people simply because Homosexuality is against Catholicism.


I do however maintain that the disproportionate level of criticism the Christian Church receives in contrast to religions not traditionally associated with Europe and North America, is fueled by Christianities' association with the Occident rather than it being due to Christianity representing a genuine threat to liberal values.
Original post by RulesforRadicals
I imply there is a common mentality not that it's every single member of the broad er...Church which is the left.


I wasn't even saying the left hates the West as such, I believe that fighting oppressive elements of Western governments has historically lead to a good outcome for many in the West. It's really good for example that we don't kill gay people simply because Homosexuality is against Catholicism.


I do however maintain that the disproportionate level of criticism the Christian Church receives in contrast to religions not traditionally associated with Europe and North America, is fueled by Christianities' association with the Occident rather than it being due to Christianity representing a genuine threat to liberal values.


Yes, a common mentality between us all.

Completely agree with the bolded :smile:

Hmm I dunno, imo the criticism Christian organisations have received is different from that Islamic ones have - Islamic organisations are criticised for extremism, Christian organisations are criticised for covering up paedophilia/their stance on reproductive rights (although that's more of a US problem than UK)/homosexuality (again, more US than Europe) etc. I don't think the two sets of criticisms are comparable given the difference in the nature of what's being criticised, so I'm not sure I'd agree.
Original post by abruiseonthesky
I just like how ~lefties~ want the west to crumble. Definitely what the whole of the left is after.


Haha I love to folks chucking around the word "Marxist" this and "Leninists" that when talking about pollitical correctness. All reputable teachings of socialism and communism call for a secular state. To be honest I really could not care less how many people in my country are muslim or christian only that their views based on religion are not taken seriously by the state.
Original post by CAElite
Haha I love to folks chucking around the word "Marxist" this and "Leninists" that when talking about pollitical correctness. All reputable teachings of socialism and communism call for a secular state. To be honest I really could not care less how many people in my country are muslim or christian only that their views based on religion are not taken seriously by the state.


I literally have no idea what you're on about with the first half, sorry :tongue: As for the second bit, I agree - people are free to have their own religious views as long as those views don't interfere with laws (like religious opposition to gay marriage) or policy (remember George Bush and Tony Blair saying God told them to go into Iraq?).
Original post by abruiseonthesky
I literally have no idea what you're on about with the first half, sorry :tongue: As for the second bit, I agree - people are free to have their own religious views as long as those views don't interfere with laws (like religious opposition to gay marriage) or policy (remember George Bush and Tony Blair saying God told them to go into Iraq?).


Ah it was something I saw posted a couple of times on here. People where refering to political correctness and inability to criticise islamification as "Neomarxism". It mildly amused me, people demonizing an ideaology without doing ANY research into it whatsoever.

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