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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    ISIS have essentially killed themselves - they are fighting wars on three fronts and an ideological war against democracy, they pose a current immediate threat to Syria and Iraq and other countries, but in terms of completely taking over any countries, they have a very low chance.
    We are not talking about ISIS in Syria. The person I quoted said we will have peace once we leave the Middle East. As long as there exists sympathisers with ISIS and with the Islamist ideology in general, we are going to continue to have terrorist attacks on Western territory. Whether we have forces in the Middle East or not does not change the intentions of people with extremist interpretations of Islam.
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    The Quran/ahadith may be antique scripts, but Islam is not at all an antique religion. It is very much alive and active.
    People make Islam alive and active. People, not the text.
    People are reading and re-reading the "antique scripts", and these writings encourage them, inspire them, even oblige them to act (if they want to avoid eternal hellfire/damnation)
    Ordinary believers usually don't do it, imams do. Do you know what imam preaches in the nearest to you mosque? I hear it every friday. It sounds like calls for war. Even In Saudi Arabia some imams periodically are punished. What do European authority to prevent it? I suppose - nothing: "Freedom of speech" and "freedom of religion". I would name it "Freedom of hate".
    So, criticising the "antique scripts" is essential. You show them to be morally disastrous, negative for society, and even internally contradictory. This is what we would call "opposing Islam".
    No, you show them nothing this way. They listen what their imams say. Read what Islamic sites say. And you know what they say. Your criticism they consider as insult to Islam.
    we (as students, and citizens in general) direct our efforts towards the texts. We read them, we criticise them, we expose the negative features of the society advocated in those texts.
    You can't beat professional theologian.
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    We are not talking about ISIS in Syria. The person I quoted said we will have peace once we leave the Middle East. As long as there exists sympathisers with ISIS and with the Islamist ideology in general, we are going to continue to have terrorist attacks on Western territory. Whether we have forces in the Middle East or not does not change the intentions of people with extremist interpretations of Islam.
    How can you agree with forces being in the Middleeast and bombing, then the westerners trying to create peace and telling ISIS to get the **** out. Why the hypocrisy?

    Why don't we withdraw our forces for our country, for europe, for innocent civilians getting killed for no reason. just because our politicians have material interests in Syria and elsewhere?

    The russians withdrew when the ISIS told them that we have 60,000 chechen ISIS soldiers waiting to infiltrate your country and bomb the **** out of you. The russians withdrew.

    Why let it get to that stage before we come out ? if the western armies were not in Syria neither would the refugees becoming to Europe and neither would any bombings be happening?
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    (Original post by zubz91)
    How can you agree with forces being in the Middleeast and bombing, then the westerners trying to create peace and telling ISIS to get the **** out. Why the hypocrisy?

    Why don't we withdraw our forces for our country, for europe, for innocent civilians getting killed for no reason. just because our politicians have material interests in Syria and elsewhere?

    The russians withdrew when the ISIS told them that we have 60,000 chechen ISIS soldiers waiting to infiltrate your country and bomb the **** out of you. The russians withdrew.

    Why let it get to that stage before we come out ? if the western armies were not in Syria neither would the refugees becoming to Europe and neither would any bombings be happening?
    Please point where I said I agree with our forces being in the Middle East or bombing the Middle East?

    Terrorist attacks would still be happening whether we were in the Middle East or not. Just look at Indonesia. Indonesia is not in the Middle East bombing Syria and has no forces out in Syria, and yet they still had a terrorist attack.
    Whether Russia bombs Syria or not, Chechens will continue to cause trouble for Russia.
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    (Original post by zubz91)

    The russians withdrew when the ISIS told them that we have 60,000 chechen ISIS soldiers waiting to infiltrate your country and bomb the **** out of you. The russians withdrew.
    Not sure if serious.

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    (Original post by zubz91)
    How can you agree with forces being in the Middleeast and bombing, then the westerners trying to create peace and telling ISIS to get the **** out. Why the hypocrisy?

    Why don't we withdraw our forces for our country, for europe, for innocent civilians getting killed for no reason. just because our politicians have material interests in Syria and elsewhere?

    The russians withdrew when the ISIS told them that we have 60,000 chechen ISIS soldiers waiting to infiltrate your country and bomb the **** out of you. The russians withdrew.

    Why let it get to that stage before we come out ? if the western armies were not in Syria neither would the refugees becoming to Europe and neither would any bombings be happening?
    Groups like ISIS believe they are continuing the conquests carried out by Muhammad and his successors over much of North Africa, the Middle East, Asia, and Europe, and have the goal of restoring land they consider rightful theirs, in line with Islamic scripture. The actions of ISIS and their ilk in terms of ideology have nothing to do with the policy of European countries in the 21st century. (They may use recent events to justify their actions but that is another matter).
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    (Original post by Onde)
    Groups like ISIS believe they are continuing the conquests carried out by Muhammad and his successors over much of North Africa, the Middle East, Asia, and Europe, and have the goal of restoring land they consider rightful theirs, in line with Islamic scripture. The actions of ISIS and their ilk in terms of ideology have nothing to do with the policy of European countries in the 21st century. (They may use recent events to justify their actions but that is another matter).
    True

    ISIS particularly enjoys publishing maps which show Spain, the Balkans, Sicily etc restored to the Caliphate, and every week warn Italians (and the Pope) that they will soon conquer Rome, as predicted by a well-known hadith.

    And yet, I doubt that the Vatican is bombing Raqqa.
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    (Original post by Arsenal96123)
    I pray for the Muslims who are facing daily racist attacks as a result of this
    There is so much wrong with his sentence.
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    (Original post by Onde)
    Groups like ISIS believe they are continuing the conquests carried out by Muhammad and his successors over much of North Africa, the Middle East, Asia, and Europe, and have the goal of restoring land they consider rightful theirs, in line with Islamic scripture. The actions of ISIS and their ilk in terms of ideology have nothing to do with the policy of European countries in the 21st century. (They may use recent events to justify their actions but that is another matter).
    Lahore, Ankara, Istanbul, Baghdad, Homs, Aleppo, Raqqah, Beirut, Kabul, Nigeria, London, Paris, Brussels. . .. the list is endless. .

    Don't tell me the 'War on terror' has made the world a better place. It's abundantly clear that it's perpetuated terrorism around the world.
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    (Original post by zubz91)
    Lahore, Ankara, Istanbul, Baghdad, Homs, Aleppo, Raqqah, Beirut, Kabul, Nigeria, London, Paris, Brussels. . .. the list is endless. .

    Don't tell me the 'War on terror' has made the world a better place. It's abundantly clear that it's perpetuated terrorism around the world.
    Islamic terrorism predates the so-called War on Terror. It speaks volumes about the deflection and denialism in which you're steeped that you think that Islam has only had these problems since 2001 and in so doing try to shift the blame for the atrocities listed away from the actual perpetrators -- and for what? Just so you can deny that your religion might not be as perfect as you'd like to think.

    Try to think outside of your persecution complex, for once.
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    (Original post by zubz91)
    Don't tell me the 'War on terror' has made the world a better place. It's abundantly clear that it's perpetuated terrorism around the world.
    So terrorism is a consequence of 'War on terror'? :cool:
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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    jealousy more like.
    Possibly.
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    (Original post by zubz91)
    Get the Fudge out of muslim countries and you will find peace
    Lol utter *******s.
 
 
 
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