Makes soo much sense- I don't see how him being able to read and write takes away from anything. He passed it on by word so there is still the possibility that he just came up with it and spread it.

Also... Why do we see contradictions in the Quraan if they are from the infallible Allah?

You'll probably refute these but a little something from my RS homework from last year.

Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54]. Many Muslims want to be modern and scientific, and make that six eons, but then again, He creates instantaneously [2:117], "Be! And it is"

Doesn't make sense... Clarify my misunderstanding- is science wrong or is the Quraan wrong? (This is not any sort of attack but rather a question)

There you go! You've answered it yourself. 'Passed'. If that was the case then why on earth do Muslims dont question it? Are we really that naive?

Name me some contradictions please?

As I have always stated science is always playing catchup with what Islam and the Quraan had discovered time ago<< I dont mind being refuted upon this point.

The Holy Quraan is never wrong so that rules out science I guess.

Reply 85

username1402543

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Original post by Good bloke

Your research skills have let you down then. Your knowledge of the Bible is woeful (and wrong).

Thank you I was aware of that. I can say the same about those questioning A-Z of the Holy Quraan and Islam for that matter.

Reply 86

ChallengeLover

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Original post by MiszShortee786

There you go! You've answered it yourself. 'Passed'. If that was the case then why on earth do Muslims dont question it? Are we really that naive?

Name me some contradictions please?

As I have always stated science is always playing catchup with what Islam and the Quraan had discovered time ago<< I dont mind being refuted upon this point.

The Holy Quraan is never wrong so that rules out science I guess.

But if I make up a lie and "pass" it on, does that make it the truth?

Right... Soon science will learn that all we know of was made in a matter of days.

Contradictions... Hmmm- let me consult my RS homework.
According to Sura 10:90-92, Pharaoh repented "in the sight of death" and was saved. But Sura 4:18 says that such a thing can't happen. (This was obviously a misinterpretation, wasn't it?)

Next one was a very interesting point made by an ex-muslim in my class: "Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [5:90, also 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [47:15, also 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?". Those are the exact words she used in class.

There are others but my homework only extended soo far...

Nice to know where you stand.

Reply 87

danpr88

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Original post by the bear

Pope

prophesies

ermm i disagree

http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/indentifying-marks-of-antichrist/

Reply 88

the bear

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Original post by danpr88

http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/indentifying-marks-of-antichrist/

a doritos bag = 666

http://www.white2000.com/number/number.htm

Reply 89

danpr88

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Revelation 22: 18-19

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Reply 90

the bear

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Original post by danpr88

Revelation 22: 18-19

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

warthogs = 666

http://www.white2000.com/number/number.htm

Reply 91

the bear

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Original post by danpr88

Revelation 22: 18-19

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

BBC Blue Peter = 666

http://www.white2000.com/number/number.htm

:afraid:

Reply 92

ChallengeLover

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Original post by the bear

BBC Blue Peter = 666

http://www.white2000.com/number/number.htm

:afraid:

Knew it all along- never trust anything that has the name "Peter" in it.

Reply 93

the bear

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Original post by danpr88

Revelation 22: 18-19

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

david icke book = 666

http://www.white2000.com/number/number.htm

Reply 94

SMEGGGY

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Didn't Jesus utter it? So what authority (other than the silly God's representative nonsense) does he have over Jesus?? :rolleyes:

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Reply 95

Fullofsurprises

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Original post by Doonesbury

The Pope has called for a change to the Lord's Prayer. He wants to change the line "lead us not into temptation" because God does not lead humans to sin.

Should the wording be changed?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42279427
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/08/lead-us-not-into-mistranslation-pope-wants-lords-prayer-changed

Lots of Christians must have wondered who that line was addressed to. Why would God 'lead us into temptation'? Even weirder, was the line addressed to Satan? :eek:

This is one of those oddities in Catholicism (and some other branches of Christianity), a bit like the belief in the resurrection of the dead. If you go to heaven, purgatory or hell when you die, then what is all this stuff about the eventual resurrection of the dead at the Grand Return of Christ? What exactly gets resurrected? Do you have two spirits? More than two?

Reply 96

danpr88

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Original post by Fullofsurprises

Lots of Christians must have wondered who that line was addressed to. Why would God 'lead us into temptation'? Even weirder, was the line addressed to Satan? :eek:

This is one of those oddities in Catholicism (and some other branches of Christianity), a bit like the belief in the resurrection of the dead. If you go to heaven, purgatory or hell when you die, then what is all this stuff about the eventual resurrection of the dead at the Grand Return of Christ? What exactly gets resurrected? Do you have two spirits? More than two?

The Pope is Satan:

The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist" As used in the Bible, the term combines the Greek word, "anti", with the title commonly given to Jesus. The main meaning of this word is, "instead of" or, "in place of".

"Antichrist", therefore means, literally, "someone who stands instead of, or in place of, the real Jesus Christ". It could be someone who bears the actual name, "Antichrist".

It could be someone who falsely claims to be Christ. It could be a false Christ, promoted by others, in place of the real one.

It could be someone who falsely claims authority to speak for and exercise the authority of the real Christ.

Pope claims to be God:

Cardinal Sarto, who became Pope Pius X, said this

The Pope represents Jesus Christ Himself...

The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII says this:

But to believe that our Lord God the Pope the establisher of said decretal, and of this, could not decree, as he did decree, should be accounted heretical (emphasis added)

(edited 6 years ago)

Reply 97

Fullofsurprises

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Original post by danpr88

The Pope is Satan:

The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist" As used in the Bible, the term combines the Greek word, "anti", with the title commonly given to Jesus. The main meaning of this word is, "instead of" or, "in place of".

"Antichrist", therefore means, literally, "someone who stands instead of, or in place of, the real Jesus Christ". It could be someone who bears the actual name, "Antichrist".

It could be someone who falsely claims to be Christ. It could be a false Christ, promoted by others, in place of the real one.

It could be someone who falsely claims authority to speak for and exercise the authority of the real Christ.

Pope claims to be God:

Cardinal Sarto, who became Pope Pius X, said this

The Pope represents Jesus Christ Himself...

The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII says this:

But to believe that our Lord God the Pope the establisher of said decretal, and of this, could not decree, as he did decree, should be accounted heretical (emphasis added)

Oh lol, medieval and post-medieval popes did all kinds of stuff to try to emphasise their superiority and mega-importance, whereas the reality on the ground was that often they had pathetically little influence or control over events. John XXII was one of the 14th century Avignon princes who was mostly interested in (a) accumulating vast amounts of cash and (b) persecuting heretics. He was however somewhat pleasant to Muslim rulers (that makes a nice change in Christian history) and at the time of that absurd decretal, he was busy fighting for his survival against a rival pope. They used to have antipopes popping up all the time and the popes had to either be protected by the French crown or the Holy Roman Empire - picking the wrong one was frequently disastrous. So I think we can safely take the Lord God the Pope thing with a fairly large pinch of salt. Who knows, perhaps it was a typo. (A 'quillo'?)

I am ignoring your antichrist nonsense because frankly I don't take the Bible as a source for anything any more seriously than I take the Vatican, apart from the true words of Jesus, where confirmed by all Gospel sources and not made up later.

Reply 98

Good bloke

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Original post by Fullofsurprises

Lots of Christians must have wondered who that line was addressed to. Why would God 'lead us into temptation'? Even weirder, was the line addressed to Satan? :eek:

This is one of those oddities in Catholicism (and some other branches of Christianity), a bit like the belief in the resurrection of the dead. If you go to heaven, purgatory or hell when you die, then what is all this stuff about the eventual resurrection of the dead at the Grand Return of Christ? What exactly gets resurrected? Do you have two spirits? More than two?

You are beginning to realise that religions are full of unanswered questions, illogical dogma and contradictions, Grasshopper. You are now ready to move on to the next stage of your training - iconoclasm for beginners.

Reply 99

the bear

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forsyth = 666

http://www.white2000.com/number/number.htm

:afraid:

Pope wants to change Lord's Prayer

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