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A geometric series has first term 729 and common ratio -1/3
Calculate the value of n for which Sn = 1 + Sn-1

How do I go about starting this?
Work out expressions for Sn and Sn-1 and solve for n, surely?

Edit: although this is the obvious thing to do and will work, considering the difference between Sn and Sn-1 is going to be less work.
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Original post by Hollymae764
A geometric series has first term 729 and common ratio -1/3
Calculate the value of n for which Sn = 1 + Sn-1

How do I go about starting this?


How are the sums to n and n-1 different?
That difference must be 1?
but how do i find n where the difference is just 1 between sn and sn-1
Original post by Hollymae764
but how do i find n where the difference is just 1 between sn and sn-1

So the difference is 1, how do I use this to work out the answer?
Original post by Hollymae764
but how do i find n where the difference is just 1 between sn and sn-1

You need the formula for the sum to n terms of a geometric series. Do you know that - or know where to find it?
It is that right?
Original post by DFranklin
Work out expressions for Sn and Sn-1 and solve for n, surely?

Edit: although this is the obvious thing to do and will work, considering the difference between Sn and Sn-1 is going to be less work.

How do i use this to work out the answer?
Original post by Hollymae764
It is that right?

It is, but now I've thought about DFranklin's other post there is a much easier way.

Say you know the first n-1 terms add up to a certain value. And you're given that the sum of the first n terms is 1 more than that, what does the value of that one extra term (the n'th term) *have* to be equal to?
Okay so here's my logic with your help:

sn-1 = 20 (for this example)
sn therefore needs to = 21
the nth term added to sn-1 must be = 1

so un = 729 x 1/3^(n-1)
1 = 729 x 1/3^(n-1)
ln(1/729) / ln(1/3) = n-1
6 = n-1
7 = n

is that right?
Original post by Hollymae764
Okay so here's my logic with your help:

sn-1 = 20 (for this example)
sn therefore needs to = 21
the nth term added to sn-1 must be = 1

so un = 729 x 1/3^(n-1)
1 = 729 x 1/3^(n-1)
ln(1/729) / ln(1/3) = n-1
6 = n-1
7 = n

is that right?

Logic looks fine, but I thought r = -1/3 in the question. Have you lost a minus sign?
Original post by WhyNotThree
Logic looks fine, but I thought r = -1/3 in the question. Have you lost a minus sign?

i couldnt ln(-1/3)
Have you considered that the geometric of the series is non contiguous Taylor series for Mercator projection ? And also obviously and that is all I have to your correct.
Original post by Hollymae764
i couldnt ln(-1/3)

True. Not sure why I didn't think of that before I asked haha.

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